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2008-10-30 19:41:00

中国的经济就是“面子经济”

看上去好看,实际上一塌糊涂

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2008-10-31 03:11:00
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世界上大多数国家都制订有自己的“国家贫困标准”,每个国家的“国家贫困标准”和“国家贫困人口比例”,反映了这个国家的政府是不是一个对人民负责、以人为本、关心人民疾苦的政府!因为政府负有救济贫困居民,使其摆脱贫困和饥饿的责任。

朝鲜和古巴是极小数例外的国家,这二个国家没有“贫困标准”和“贫困人口”的报告,政府也就推脱了承担救济贫困人口的责任。或许他们的人民正“沉醉”在一个人们曾非常熟练的语境中:全世界人民正在水深火热之中,遭受压迫和掠夺!

苏东和中印转型的另类观察之九:联合国和世行大幅调高中国贫困人口比例

三百门渔夫

没想到中国民众这么穷!联合国与世界银行根据其联合进行“国际价格比较”(ICP)项目,以新的购买力平价数据计算各国经济的实际规模和贫困人口后,大幅调低中国经济的实际规模和平均购买力,大幅调高中国极度贫困人口的比例。

联合国与世界银行为全世界制定的贫困标准分两级,极度贫困(赤贫)人口:按购买力平价(PPP)每人每天消费1美元;贫困人口:购买力平价(PPP)每人每天消费2美元。

世界上大多数国家都制订有自己“国家贫困标准”,每个国家的“国家贫困标准”和“国家贫困人口比例”,反映了这个国家的政府是不是一个对人民负责、以人为本、关心人民疾苦的政府!因为政府负有救济贫困居民,使其摆脱贫困和贫匮、获得生活尊严的责任。

多数发展中国家将其“国家贫困标准(贫困线)”定在PPP每人每天消费1美元与2美元的区间内,每年调整“国家贫困线”,印度将“国家贫困人口比例”保持在20%以上,越南将“国家贫困人口比例”保持在15%以上;巴西的“国家贫困标准”为PPP人均消费2美元,贫困率16.6%(俄印越的背景资料参阅:苏东和中印转型的另类观察之一至之八:http://sanbaimen.blog.hexun.com/)。富裕国家多数以低于国民平均收入的40-60%左右为“国家贫困标准”,将“国家贫困人口比例”保持在在10%以上,欧盟区的德国、法国、英国、西班牙、葡萄牙等国贫困人口在9%-18%之间,美国的贫困人口保持在12%以上;俄罗斯贫困人口比例13.4%;日本贫困人口比例15%,韩国贫困人口比例14.6%。

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(权力与利益成正比,上图:俄罗斯居民在投票;下图:中国农村的留守老人)

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中国是全球“国家贫困人口比例”最低的国家之一,“国家贫困标准”是人年均纯收入785元(农村为人年纯收入683元人民币),国务院扶贫办2007年12月公布的数据显示,中国农村贫困人口2148万人,全国贫困人口不足4000万人,“国家贫困人口比例”约3%。

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(“脱贫”的人们:中国政府制定的农村贫困线是人年纯收入683元人民币,人月均纯收入56.9元,上图:贵州农村卖血的村民,一个月卖两、三次血,收营养费150至200元,全家“脱贫”;下图;捡垃圾的大人小孩,人均一天捡到能卖2元人民币的垃圾,也算“脱贫”)

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按世界银行依据购买力平价调整后的标准,中国有多少极度贫困和贫穷人口?2008年之前,众说纷纭,因为中国拒绝参加联合国和世界银行联合发起的“国际价格比较”(ICP)项目。没有实测数据,世界银行只能以学术上估测的购买力平价数据测算中国的实际经济规模和贫困人口比例,得出的结论是,2005年中国的人均GDP则达到了6760美元, PPP人均一天消费1美元的贫困人口的比例是:1990年33%,2004年减少到10%,2007年减少到了7%。

2007年,中国有条件地参与共有147个国家参加了的“国际价格比较”项目,国家统计局向世界银行提供了搜集的分布在全国的11个市的城区和农村的涉及1000多种不同商品和服务的价格。依据这些调整收集的数据,2008年,联合国和世界银行分别公布了《国际比较计划》报告,指出过去高估了中国的经济规模和居民的实际生活水平,下调中国的购买力水平、大幅提高中国贫困人口的数量和比例。

联合国和世界银行公布的最新数据是;购买力平价(PPP)调整后,以每天PPP1美元的极度贫困线为标准,2004年中国赤贫人口2亿,占全国人口比例15%。中国购买力平价的转换因子是0.42,2004年平均汇率约8.5,转换后,购买力平价(PPP)1美元相当于3.6元人民币(在下一轮调查和统计数据出来并重新评估前,联合国、世行、亚洲开发银行以此数据为固定转换因子)。也就是说,2004年,在实际生活中,中国有2亿人平均每天实际消费水平不足0.42美元,3.6元人民币!!

2007年,中国每天平均消费不足ppp1美元,3.6元人民币的赤贫人口1.35亿人,占人口比例10%;每天平均消费不足ppp2美元,7.2元人民币的贫困人口4.3亿人,占人口比例约32%。

《国际比较计划…中国》报告在“人均居民实际消费”一节中说:住户实际消费是指住户自身购买与政府提供的免费医疗和教育服务之和,是广义的住户“福利”。很多“GDP 富裕国”是“消费贫穷国”,中国就是其中之一,因为中国GDP 的很大部分是净出口和资本形成,而不是住户消费。

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(上世纪八十年代,前苏联的GDP全世界第二,但苏联民众普遍过的是贫匮的日子,2007年,俄罗斯GDP全球第十,但俄罗斯人民却过着普遍富裕的生活。上图:一个俄罗斯的贫困老人;下图:一个中国农村留守老人)

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http://sanbaimen.blog.hexun.com/21197668_d.html

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2008-10-31 10:18:00
先顶再看
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2008-10-31 11:02:00
分配不公平的结果
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2008-10-31 12:28:00

俄罗斯跟中国有一些区别:俄国过去几个世纪在文化教育方面要显著领先于中国,比如在生物化学领域,艺术人文领域,这些造成了俄罗斯群众的文化水平比中国高出许多,或者说,俄罗斯比中国具备更好的现代化的软件基础。我们都在埋怨制度问题,但有一点不能忘了,不管什么制度都是人制定出来的,都要由人来执行,根据人的反馈来作进一步的改进。从某种程度上来说,制度的存在就有合理性。未来的政治经济改革都要通过素质更高的人群来实现,希望这一进程能够更快更顺利地完成。

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2008-10-31 19:01:00
恩,跟选举有关啊
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2008-11-1 08:13:00
中国多少人,让谁当家也不能把十亿低收入人群社保提高多少
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2008-11-1 08:19:00

俄罗斯这个国家, 和澳大利亚 很像, 人口少,资源丰富.

但是中国情况完全不一样.  俄罗斯卖资源 就可以 让一半人口 富裕起来,可是中国呢?

别什么都牵连到制度上.

文莱的制度还没有中国好呢,人家还不比中国平均 要富裕上 多少?

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2008-11-1 08:20:00

唯一 一个真的适合 用来和中国 直接 全方面比较的国家,就只有印度.

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2008-11-1 15:30:00
大家抽签,10亿跳海埋平渤海,剩下的直接进入共产主义,富国富民
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2008-11-1 18:26:00
无语1!!
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2008-11-1 20:25:00

这是一个痛苦的过程!发展必然要经过一个这样的时期!

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2008-11-1 22:02:00

哎。。。和谐,和谐。。。

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2008-11-1 22:53:00
中国人多,的确,贫富差距在拉大
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2008-11-2 01:59:00

要有正见:

来论坛相当长一段时间,发现很多人对于经济的评价是基于一些权威专家或者来自于对于自己生活和现状的不满。带着情绪来评价一个很客观的经济问题,结论往往是大相径庭的。

我说要有正见,不一定要迎合党和中央的决策,拍共产党的马屁,但是起码对于一个问题的看法要有数据支持,然后这个结论是结合了实际情况以及非情绪化的结论才可以。我们都很年轻,对于社会和时事的理解要努力建立自己的观点,而不是人云亦云,前几年郎咸平刚出来,大家一致赞好,最近又是骂声不绝。不要被媒体所引导是学习任何一门科学需要持有的态度,尤其是人文社科类。发现真相是学习和工作的主要目的。

还有就是不要浮躁,我们这一代人普遍浮躁,轻易下结论。西方对于中国的数据统计是没问题,但是结论有时候往往有很大问题。需要你去拨开云雾见青天。我们学生最容易接受新知识新观点,所以也容易受鼓动。就这篇报道而言我想数据是没问题,但是结论,和如何得出的结论是是需要好好分析的。如大家所见,中国和俄罗斯可比性不大。北京作为中国一线城市和深圳就可比性较差。拿深圳的原住民和北京的原住民比较是很不恰当。所以要有正思维。希望可以给大家点启发

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2008-11-2 09:24:00
社会制度的安排就是把人当作工具来看待,因此未来保障丛林规则的合法性,就必须牺牲弱势群体的利益了!
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2008-11-2 10:02:00
民主的两种截然不同的诠释,真正的民主只有通过对比才能看到。
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2008-11-2 10:54:00

12345

上山打老虎

有人说是猫

有人说是鼠

到底是猫还是鼠?

我还是打我的虎去吧

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2008-11-2 12:12:00

分配太不平均了。。政府是时候干预了。。

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2008-11-2 13:37:00

只有中国自己清楚自己的真实状况

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2008-11-2 23:26:00
走狗
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2008-11-3 00:34:00

“符合穷人的利益增长”,这才是经济增长的真谛。

穷的越来越穷,富的越来越富,贫富两极分化越来越严重。城里的穷人比农村的更难过,低保连起码的生存条件都不够。

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2008-11-3 09:25:00

中国特色,中国特色经济就是要与众不同……

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2008-11-3 13:08:00

有待观察

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2008-11-3 20:00:00

不知道是经济发展的目标出了问题还是过程没有控制好

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2008-11-3 21:24:00
还是俄罗斯老百姓比较走运
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2008-12-15 19:09:00

要切实改善老百姓的生活水平!

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2008-12-15 20:48:00
也许中国人口太大也是制约中国发展的一个原因
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2008-12-16 01:04:00
RUSSIA
Handle with care
From The Economist print edition

A cornered Russia could pose greater risks

THE magic word during Vladimir Putin’s eight years as president was “stability”. The social contract between the Kremlin and the people was based on rising incomes and private freedoms. Most people happily signed up to this. According to Boris Dubin, a leading sociologist, three-quarters of the Russian people feel they have no influence on political and economic life in their country, and the vast majority of them show little interest in politics anyway.

It was this contract, backed by high oil prices and cheap credits, that kept Mr Putin’s ratings up and allowed him to hold on to power as prime minister after his protégé, Dmitry Medvedev, was installed as president in March this year. When a foreign journalist asked Mr Putin shortly before the election why Mr Medvedev was not campaigning, the answer was candid: “Salaries in Russia are growing by 16% a year…people want this trend to continue and they see Dmitry Medvedev as a guarantor of this trend.”

The rise in earnings, albeit from a low base, has also masked discontent about the appalling state of the health system and the corrupt and ineffective police. Most people say both have been getting worse in recent years, but they generally deal with them by making private arrangements with their local doctor and finding friends among the police. Seventy years of living in the Soviet Union have made them inventive and adaptable.

The lives of ordinary Russians have got better, but not that much better. Half of them say they have enough money for food and clothes but struggle to buy durable goods. Most simply hoped things would not get worse. Now, with an economic downturn under way, things are getting worse, especially in big cities where the improvements had been most noticeable. Private firms are starting to lay off staff and cut pay. For now the government is trying to soothe people’s fears. Journalists have been told not to link the words “crisis” and “Russia”, so the state media consistently talk only about a world crisis and Russia’s “anti-crisis” measures.

Yet if the economy deteriorates, that will no longer be enough. A recent survey of successful young urban people showed that many of them contemplate emigrating. For now, most people have even less appetite for protests than they did in 1998, when rouble devaluation and debt default caused millions to lose their savings.

Most Russians are deeply cynical about their government: 60% say its members are “only concerned with their own wealth and careers” and just 9% say they are honest. After the 1998 crisis businessmen who had lost everything picked themselves off the floor and started again, and the same thing may happen this time, although state interference in business has increased. But the popularity of Mr Putin and Mr Medvedev, who are seen as promoting stability, is likely to suffer. After the 1998 crisis Yeltsin’s approval ratings, already in the dumps, plummeted from 15% to 1%.

Yet there are important differences between then and now. First, people have more to lose. Over the past decade GDP per person has almost doubled, to almost $12,000 at purchasing-power parity. Second, Russia’s rigid political system no longer allows much room for manoeuvre. When the 1998 crisis struck, Mr Yeltsin defused the situation by sacking the prime minister and the entire government. Until last year Mr Putin too had this option. When things went wrong people blamed the government, not the president. But now that Mr Putin himself is in the prime ministerial seat it may be harder for him to find scapegoats.

Third, in 1998 the government was bankrupt and weak, so businesses were left to deal with the crisis in their own way. Now the government is sitting on massive cash reserves which have already become the object of factional fighting. The Kremlin is by no means a homogenous entity. Indeed, the main reason for making Mr Medvedev president under Mr Putin’s supervision was that it would preserve the status quo. But now there may not be enough money to keep the large band of Kremlin friends happy.

Russian experts, whatever their differences, all agree on one thing: these are unstable, unpredictable and dangerous times. As Mr Satarov of the INDEM think-tank observes, the biggest advantage of democracy is that it allows political systems to adapt to changing economic and political circumstances. That luxury is not available to Russia. Instead, Mr Medvedev has proposed extending the presidential term from four to six years. This was Mr Putin’s idea, and he may be the one to benefit from it. The change, which has been rushed through parliament, would give him the prospect of 12 years as president when Mr Medvedev’s term expires in 2012. Some say Mr Putin might return earlier.

Whatever next?The most optimistic (but unfortunately least likely) scenario is that the crisis will concentrate minds in the Kremlin and make it improve the country’s investment climate, build proper institutions and tame anti-American rhetoric. Mr Gavrilenkov of Troika Dialog argues that Russia’s attitude to America is closely correlated with its balance of payments. When that is strong, Russia turns anti-American; when it is weak, Russia becomes a friendlier place.

There are some signs that the crisis has strengthened the hand of economic experts in the Kremlin, such as the finance minister, Alexei Kudrin. One of Mr Kudrin’s deputies, Sergei Storchak, who was arrested a year ago in a power struggle between different factions, has suddenly been allowed out of prison. But as long as the oil price remains relatively high and economic growth in the rest of the world is weak, businesses will rely more on the government than on foreign investors.

Still, a recent survey of various Russian elites, including business and media people, lawyers and doctors, showed that some 45% disagree with the current authoritarian system. Worryingly, the same survey found that the group which feels most alienated and unhappy about the status quo is the armed forces.

The chances that Russia will indeed turn more liberal are minimal. The mood is against it, and liberal parties cannot even muster the support of the significant liberal minority that does exist. The Kremlin has launched its own “democratic” clone parties to gather up these votes. According to one modern Russian writer, Zakhar Prilepin, ideological opposition to the Kremlin is impossible because the elite has no ideology: it is capable of agreeing with both the extreme right and the extreme left of the political spectrum. Its only ideology is to stay in power.
ITAR-TASS
Some things have got better

A more likely—and alarming—scenario is that the current regime will harden its stance and tighten the screws or be replaced by an even more nationalistic and militant one. That is the direction in which Russia has been moving for the past eight years. In his book, “The Death of the Empire”, Mr Gaidar, the former prime minister, points to the dangers of post-imperial nostalgia in Russia and draws parallels with the dying days of Germany’s Weimar Republic. The war in Georgia made those parallels more obvious. It has moved nationalist ideologues from the margins of political discourse to the centre.

According to Andrei Zorin, a cultural historian and professor of Russian at Oxford University, periods of restoration that follow revolutions do not bring back the old order but often introduce new threats and instability. “Russia may yet emerge as a nation state, but in the process it could also turn ugly and nationalistic,” he says. In such a multi-ethnic country that would be a recipe for further disintegration.

Many Russian liberals argue that Western policy towards Russia has helped to make the country more nationalistic. America’s triumphalism after the cold war caused the same sort of resentment in Russia as the settlement of the first world war did in Germany. America’s unilateral withdrawal from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty in 2001, its plan to put a missile-defence system close to the Russian border and NATO’s expansion played into the hands of Russian hardliners, as did the West’s recognition of Kosovo. “You can only imagine how much champagne was drunk in Russia’s hardline circles after the recognition of Kosovo,” says Mr Gaidar.

Yet America acted as a catalyst, not the primary cause. The process that led to the war in Georgia had its own domestic logic inseparable from Mr Putin’s authoritarian system. That system, says Lilia Shevtsova of the Carnegie Moscow Centre, relies on images of Russia as a “besieged fortress”.

More dangerous than the cold warThe Russian leadership can, and does, blame the current financial crisis on America. It is doing its best to mobilise Russians against the West and the Westernisers and is becoming more confrontational. That might conceivably lead to another war in the Caucasus or to an attack on Ukraine, vulnerable because of the ethnically Russian Crimea. Georgia remains a particularly explosive place. Russia’s recognition of South Ossetia and Abkhazia has made things worse. Pavel Felgenhauer, a Russian military analyst who accurately predicted the Georgian war in August, says a new and possibly bigger military conflict is only too likely.

Since Russia’s nationalism defines itself in relation to America and the West, much will depend on American diplomacy. Mr Gaidar argues that offering NATO membership to Ukraine or Georgia would be a gift to Russian nationalists. “This is not a return to the cold war. It is much more dangerous. With the Soviet Union everything was more or less clear and predictable. Both sides got used to each other and found a way of talking to each other. Both sides won in the second world war and were confident and not hysterical. Now we are dealing with a country that has suffered a collapse of empire. And a significant part of the Russian elite feels the time has come to fight back.”

The biggest challenge for the West will be to find a policy that neither appeases Russia nor ignores it. Given the country’s nuclear potential, its nationalism and its high levels of corruption, the risks are high. In the past Russia kept its nuclear technology out of reach of America’s sworn enemies, but a power shift inside the country could change that.

Historically, Russia has often demonstrated an ability to take unexpected turns, whether for good or ill. Few people foresaw the collapse of the Soviet empire. Russia today has a glass-like quality to it: rigid and fragile at the same time, and liable to develop cracks in unforeseen places. The danger lies in its unpredictability. Yet that may also be a reason for hope.

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2008-12-16 01:12:00

楼主这个文章的权威性还存疑。看看我转载的这个。俄罗斯绝对不比中国强多少。

中国的问题归根到底是人口和人口素质问题,无论各种原因。

伊朗到现在互联网都不解禁,津巴布韦通胀,霍乱,希腊动荡,冰岛全国破产,美国危机,法国一直就没停过小动荡,还有各个国家各种问题,说这么多就是证明一点,谁都在解决问题的同时产生新的问题,没有谁完美过。

至少,我们的政府在努力,这是最重要的。尽管民主程度不够,专制一党各种弊端。但是民主又有什么好?又有什么问题比解决吃饭问题更重要。

至少,我们的老百姓还能活着。至少。

我们不要放弃对人权和幸福的斗争及追求,但是也不要在埋怨的时候忘记感恩。我只能说,政府,加油。但我会尽我之力推翻你,只要你不再追求进步。

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