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INTRO: JohnMaynard Keynes. F. A. Hayek Round Two. Round 2.0 Same economists. Same beliefs.New microphones. New Mustaches. Let’s go. Let’s go. Let’s go.

KEYNES:

Here we are. Peaceout. Great Recession. Thanks to ME. As you see. We’re not in a depression.Recovery. Destiny. If you follow my lesson. More Keynes. Here I come. Line upfor the procession.

HAYEK:

We brought out theshovels and we’re still in a ditch. And still digging. Don’t you think it’stime for a switch from that hair of the dog. Friend the party is over, the longrun is here, it’s time to get sober.

KEYNES:

Are you kidding?My cure works perfectly fine. Have a look. The recession ended in ’09. Ideserve credit. Things would have been worse. All the estimates prove it. I’llgo chapter and verse.

HAYEK:

Econometricians,they’re ever too pious. Are they doing real science or confirming their bias?Their Keynesian models are tidy and neat. But that top down approach is a fatalconceit.

KEYNES:

We could have donebetter if we’d only spent more. Too bad that only happens when there’s a worldwar. You can carp all you want about stats and regression. Do you deny thatworld war cut short the Depression?

HAYEK:

Wow. One datapoint and you’re jumping for joy. The last time I checked wars only destroy.There was no multiplier. Consumption just shank as we used scarce resources forevery new tank. Pretty perverse to call that prosperity. Ration meat. Rationbutter. A life of austerity. When that war spending ended, your friends crieddisaster. Yet the economy thrived and grew faster.

KEYNES:

You too only seewhat you want to see. The spending on war clearly goosed GDP. Unemployment wasover, almost down to zero. That’s why I’M the master. That’s why I’M the hero.

HAYEK:

Creatingemployment is a straight forward craft when the nation’s at war and there’s adraft. If every worker were staffed in the army and fleet we’d have fullemployment and nothing to eat.

HAYEK:

Jobs are a means,not the end in themselves. People work to live better, to put food on theshelves. Real growth means production of what people demand. That’sentrepreneurship, not your central plan.

KEYNES:

My solution issimple and easy to handle. It’s spending that matters. Why’s that such ascandal. Money sloshes through the pipes and the sluices. Revitalizing theeconomy’s juices. It’s just like an engine that’s stalled and gone dark. Tobring it to life we need a quick spark. Spending the life blood that gets theflow going. Were it goes doesn’t matter. Just Get Spending Flowing.

HAYEK:

You see slack insome sectors as a general glut. But some sectors are health only some in a rut.So spending’s not free, that’s the heart of the matter. Too much is wasted ascronies get fatter.

The economy’s nota car. There’s no engine to stall. No experts can fix it. There’s no “it” atall. The economy is us. Put away your wrenches, the economy is organic.

KEYNES:

So what would YOUdo to help those unemployed? This is the question you seem to avoid. When we’rein a mess, would you have us just wait, doing nothing until marketsequilibrate?

HAYEK:

I don’t wanna donothing, there’s plenty to do. The question I ponder is who plans for whom. DoI plan for myself or I leave it to you. I want plans by the many, not by thefew. Let’s not repeat what created our troubles. I want real growth not aseries of bubbles. Stop bailing out losers, let prices work. If we don’t try tosteer them they won’t go berserk.

KEYNES:

Come on are youkidding? Don’t Wall Street gyrations challenge the world view of selfregulation? Even you must admit that lesson we’ve learned is more oversight isneeded or else we’ll get burned.

HAYEK:

Oversight? Thegovernment’s long been in bed with those Wall Street execs and the firms thatthey’ve bled. Capitalism is about profit and loss. You bail out the losersthere is no end to the cost. The lesson I’ve learned is how little we know. Theworld is complex, not some circular flow. The economy is not a class you masterin college, to think otherwise is the pretense of knowledge.

KEYNES:

You’ve been onyour high horse and you are off to the the races. I look at the world on acase-by-case basis. When people are suffering I roll up my sleeves and do whatI can to cure our disease. The future’s uncertain, our outlooks are frail.That’s why markets are so prone to fail. In a volatile world we need morediscretion so state intervention can counter depression.

HAYEK:

People aren’tchess men you move on a board at your whim, their dreams and desires ignored.With political incentives, discretion’s a joke. Those dials are twisting – justmirrors and smoke. We need stable rules and real market prices so prosperityemerges and cuts short the crisis. Give us a chance so we can discover the mostvaluable ways to serve one another.