关键我们学校没有精算课程，所以要是考soa的话还得去别的学校报精算课程......R我觉得挺好用的呀，还是免费软件，多好。LZ我想知道cfa和soa哪个就业比较加分一些。我爸老说学精算的话回国好就业，保险公司招的比较多

R我觉得挺好的呀，还是免费软件，多好~~~
LZ，我想知道cfa和soa哪个对就业比较好一点。我们学校没有精算专业，所以如果我要考精算的话估计还得等毕业后再去别的学校修精算课程.......

SOA分 ASA FSA 和CREA 我觉得如果真的能够用心学坚持不懈考到FSA等级的话还是FSA厉害，但是如果不是真的打算考FSA的话还是CFA比较好，实习多不少，而且不像ASA，FSA要求很多东西，比较方便。

。。。。。。。

........

就觉得LZ真的是刚入门的同学，同学而已。。。。所以你听听就过吧。。。。

如果没有精算课系统学习的话，我很负责的说你肯定可以考精算的任何考试。
问题是，你觉得雇主放着一堆精算专业学生不要，要你一个统计的学生是否靠谱？

然后说精算考试，简单也简单，不过相对而言，CFA和精算考试不是一个等级（CFA way to easy）
可能我这么说很多人不服气，但是考过CFA的人可以来考精算试试，呵呵。。。

统计重理论，当然应用也不少，但是没什么和精算搭边，因为精算是保险实务。
你如果认准了要回国，考CFA吧，你考SOA/CAS的考试的话，估计也考不出什么结果来。。。。
只通过几门pre精算考试，在专业角度来说，只是拿起了砖，甚至还没开始敲门啊。

帮顶

我敢这么说吧，如果一个统计学生和一个精算学生过了一样数量的考试的话，用人单位一定会选择统计学生，在国内我不知道但是在美国是的。精算专业其实真的没什么用，一般学校往往就是几节VEE的课，然后几节数学课加几节精算课组成精算major。这些课你统计学生也能上，说系统的精算课学习就是个笑话，学校就是教几节课入门。但是统计学的东西，你精算专业就学不到了。而且学了stat，基本上P和C是比较好考的，而且apply stat满足，根本没必要精算major。更不用说是研究生了，研究生精算学的真的和大学学的精算没什么区别。大部分学校都没有精算特设的专业，最多給你加个精算emphsis。精算emphsis主要就是给你几节过VEE的课程，还有几节考试课程，如果考试和VEE都没问题，选精算专业真的没什么用处。
雇主主要喜欢两种人，一种是有经验的实习多的过了几门考试的学生，另外就是有特殊既能并且过了几门精算考试的，比如学CS什么的。至于你大学是不是精算专业，没几个人会关心你的，这个你真正在美国找工作就知道了，雇主真正关心你过了几门考试，有甚么工作经验，有什么特别技能。我大学期间3个精算导师一个物理学，一个金融，一个统计学专业的。还真的没有acturial science专业的。
说CFA比FSA简单，这个是的。但是如果回国还是考FSA好。CFA现在国内这些人也能弄，而且过了3门就能拿证。如果考FSA，就算5门8门考试都能过，但是VEE， FAP，APC这些在国内是很难弄得。所以国内相对较难。

一般学校的精算major都是数学或者统计或者商科department下面的。也并没有你说的什么非常系统的精算课一般就是几节数学，几节VEE。而这些课程也对其他同样学数学，统计或者business的同学开放。

好吧，学统计的这位童鞋，等你把MLC考完再来谈下感受。
P和FM简直都是玩笑，你说统计考C厉害，我也认同。你把M的两门考完，你再来说统计更适合做精算，应该更有说服力，加油，童鞋！

美国我不知道，但是我知道至少我们学校，恰恰和你说的相反，
ACT的学生可以随便去上所有统计的课，而统计的学生，如果ACT的基础课没有达到一定分数是进不了这个stream的，后面的课也选不了，系统设定。
还是那句话，美国我不知道，加拿大是这样，2个学生一个统计一个精算，
其他所有条件相同的前提下，雇主只会要精算专业的。
就算精算的这个学生某些地方弱些，只要不是essential的要求，肯定也是选精算专业。

还有你说之前教授那些，都什么年代的事情了，精算专业也不过10几20年历史，
他们那时候没这个专业，而且考试内容也和现在完全不一样，看来不是精算专业，你对这行的历史大概也不知道。我们教授还数学音乐double major的呢，这有什么稀奇，不过是70年代的事情而已。

那这个学校的精算专业要有多烂？！

别的学校不知道，我们学校的精算课能转加拿大CIA和美国CAS的credit，
不知道你说那些学校能转不！！

我没打算回国，想在加拿大工作。所以不知道cfa和soa哪个比较容易在加拿大找工作。今天参加了一下学校的career fair，发现招数学和统计的公司真心少，大部分都是要IT background的。

基本上除了加拿大waterloo，美国哥伦比亚这种开设专门的精算advance课程之外，其他学校都是emphsis，这个你随便去一个学校网站看看都知道的。本科VEE加上prerequire就要8门，精算考试的课程，P，FM，MLC，MFE，C这些都是要求上的加起来差不多也要7，8门，此外学校要求liber education的课6门左右，然后还有你专业的课程4，5门加上CS的课程2门左右基本上就是所有精算专业的课程。除了特别有精算学科的学校之外，这些就是本科精算的课程。只有很少一部分顶级大学才会开设专门精算的专业，然后会提供很多精算advance课程。
我没说统计比精算专业学生更适合做精算，我只是说同样条件下，统计学生更好找工作，哪怕是精算工作。而且我也没觉得大学考过5门有多么重要，重要的还是实习经历加你精算考试。如果你光过了5门没有实习经历一样没有公司要你。
美国所有提供act emphsis的学校VEE credit都能在北美CAS SOA转学分，基本上每个州稍微大一点的学校，甚至没有精算专业的，学校也都有转换VEE credit的课程。有的community college都有

我的3个精算advisor都是刚刚毕业的，美国雇主一般来说，如果一个统计学生和一个精算学生一个CS学生有一样的VEE，通过一样数量的考试那么CS>stat>act。因为美国雇主也知道本科精算课程什么内容，所以基本你如果不是哥大，威斯康辛麦迪逊那种大学毕业的，都是这样的。

美国所有提供act emphsis的学校VEE credit都能在北美CAS SOA转学分，基本上每个州稍微大一点的学校，甚至没有精算专业的，学校也都有转换VEE credit的课程。有的community college都有

well, i don't think you really know what i was talking about.
VEEs are the easy credits so that everyone can get it, and so-call VEE Exemptions.

As what I said, you should do some more readings to understand about the trends and history of the actuarial field, such as the topic I mentioned previously is University Accreditation Program. since I know that CAS has participated in UAP, this is a fairly new stuff, it is not weird if you do not know it.

and for the universities in Canada, not only waterloo has the top actuarial program,
at least i know another 6 universities offer specialist in act. sci. and waterloo is just one of them.

for the courses, in our school, at least 11 ACT courses are required plus another 4 advanced ACT courses, and 4 STA courses are required (for VEE),
there are 9 ACT courses in 400+ level, I do not see any students from stas. but not act specialist taking those courses, since they could not understand the material.

this reply is not just for you, but also for the people who want to know something more about canadian actuarial field.
btw, if you do not in act. stream, i do not see any reason canadian employers will hire you for coop/intern position, and this is the reality, not even mention about full-time job.

well, i will say you'd better not put CFA and SOA in the same topic,

BACKGROUND:
they are in different fields, CFA specialized in financial sector, more on investment track.
SOA exams is for insurance industry, some of risk mgt (CERA), pension, and investment.
there is another sociaty called CAS for P&C side, and SOA is specialized in life side.
CIA (canada) accepts the credits gained from SOA/CAS.
all SOA/CAS/CIA have associate and follow two levels in terms of the title, such as ASA/FSA, ACAS/FCAS.

so, it doesn't make sense you compare two different fields, but some my personal understanding is just for your reference as below:
for CFA, if you have passed 2 levels, you do not need much work experience for entry level job, and job market is above fair. For any job in financial area in Canada, i would suggest you to take CSC, which is way easier than any above exams, and you will be ok to find the entry level job providing you have strong communication skills, yep, some IT background will be an asset (you could either take courses or self study).

for ASA, you do not expect to complete ASA in school, i will not talk about too much on this, as you may refer some other posts here. the most difficult thing is to find a coop/intern while you are in the school, maintain a high GPA will help, but mostly, your communication skills, I emphasize this a lot because this is the only thing employer is looking for. (since every students has 3.5 GPA, 2-3 exams passed, what makes them different? you can think about it).

all in all, if you want to stay in Canada, CFA is easier to find a job than actuarial exams,
but if you are in act. sci. and with some interns, you will have 95% opportunity to get a job before graduate.

Since I don’t know a lot about Canada, what u said might be right in Canada. However, in US, it is not.

First of all, it is really hard to find an actuarial job or even internship in US. You said it is easy to find one in Canada for actuarial students, well, in US there is so many candidates and very few openings.

Secondly, most universities don’t provide a lot of advanced actuarial courses other than the courses prepare for preliminary exams and VEE credits. Most of universities provide student act specialist just as any other specialist and nothing special. In reality, very advanced actuarial courses are not really useful for a college student. Actually, most of the employers would just give u a entry level position for a college student.(I don’t know if Canada will provide a more advanced position for college student.) However, even the entry level positions are really hard to find for an international actuarial student.

Thirdly, above two reasons explains why the employers prefer the stat students and other Engineering and cs students. The entry-level position in actuarial sciences neither requires u has a lot of actuarial exams passed nor a really deep understanding in actuarial aspects. Mostly, u just does some data analysis and work on some modeling software. In this case, the actuarial students don’t have advantages.

Finally, I recommend u a book “Making The Grade, The Aspiring Actuary's Guidebook to Consistent Exam Success and Advancement in the Workplace”. Maybe after reading that, u can have a better understanding about what’s going on. I mean, for most of the acturial students who want to find a job in us, this book is helpful.
Again, like I said, u might be right in Canada, but in US is certainly not.   

just make my last comment to this post,
the advanced course doesn't mean a "high" level actuarial skill training,
it is more about actuarial practice, business case, and communication in the profession.

I can see why it is hard to get into actuarial in u.s., just b/c many students who are not in actuarial stream, but who want to earn more money and enter into actuarial job market, which is a sad thing.

people can earn more in statistics field than actuarial, but just do not believe this is true,
so they just want to take a shortcut, which is even worse.

I can not imagine that how come a cs or engineering student can get into actuarial field,
so far I have not heard any success story in Canada, except those who went back to school and took actuarial from the beginning.

Again, you may not know why people want to be an actuary, but just tell you the truth, only the people who really love this actuarial profession can stay, and for those who just want a good reputation or good salary, usually they quit early.

I hope years later that I still can see you post some actuarial topics here and not quit for whatever reason.
good luck!

Thanks for sharing the information, it's so helpful to me. By the way, does CSC mean Canadian Securities Course?  

yep, absolutely

恩恩写的很好 加油了。。。。马上要考第一门了

分享，
备用

好深奥。。