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2010-1-4 13:14:37
写的好!也觉得很理性!
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2010-1-4 13:25:33
太政治化了,但反权威也是一件好事,这也是中国不断“发展”的主要动力。
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2010-1-4 13:38:28
要是让外人牵着鼻子走哪成?!中国就得走自己的路!
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2010-1-4 13:40:49
支持楼主。克鲁格曼说的都是什么啊
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2010-1-4 13:57:11
dddddddddddddddd
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2010-1-4 14:04:51
楼主该好好学习,专业和历史。
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2010-1-4 15:05:15
双方都有自己的立脚点,无可厚非。每个人都要对自己的言论负责,不管是谁。
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2010-1-4 15:15:58
每个人的立场 不同,所以 看法不同
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2010-1-4 15:17:59
在人类社会进步的今天,中国的确是落后了,明显跟不上现在的游戏规则。矛盾很难调和,我们拭目以待吧
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2010-1-4 15:19:15
有冲动才有希望
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2010-1-4 15:23:42
玫瑰猴 发表于 2010-1-3 12:22
的确是块上2,3流大学的料子
冒上这么一句确实太不厚道
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2010-1-4 15:30:54
是呀,立场利益不一样,想法同样
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2010-1-4 15:38:45
和23楼的一样,想看到克鲁格曼的原文!
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2010-1-4 15:41:11
路过!!!!!!!!
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2010-1-4 16:00:48
无利不起早!人家说我们赚了,不知我们亏了多少;人家说我们亏了,结果倒不一定是确切的。
搞竞争,玩比赛,一要规则,二要兴趣,三还要运动员,四当然还得有个好裁判,我看中国现在就跳进去玩,估计是玩了就完了,连说声晚了都不行。
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2010-1-4 16:14:05
为中华崛起而读书!
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2010-1-4 16:15:08
操纵汇率的从来都是美国而不是中国
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2010-1-4 16:17:41
外国人连放个屁都是香的,知道不?
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2010-1-4 16:21:47
马克思主义习惯性的教授我们辩证主义,让我们生活在中庸或老好人的角度中,我们应该有种热情!当然这种热情应当理性!
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2010-1-4 16:33:31
这个问题回答得有点情绪化了~~~~
分析问题不要情绪化
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2010-1-4 16:45:45
楼主所述的原文如下:

Chinese New Year

By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: December 31, 2009

It’s the season when pundits traditionally make predictions about the year ahead. Mine concerns international economics: I predict that 2010 will be the year of China. And not in a good way.

Actually, the biggest problems with China involve climate change. But today I want to focus on currency policy.

China has become a major financial and trade power. But it doesn’t act like other big economies. Instead, it follows a mercantilist policy, keeping its trade surplus artificially high. And in today’s depressed world, that policy is, to put it bluntly, predatory.

Here’s how it works: Unlike the dollar, the euro or the yen, whose values fluctuate freely, China’s currency is pegged by official policy at about 6.8 yuan to the dollar. At this exchange rate, Chinese manufacturing has a large cost advantage over its rivals, leading to huge trade surpluses.

Under normal circumstances, the inflow of dollars from those surpluses would push up the value of China’s currency, unless it was offset by private investors heading the other way. And private investors are trying to get into China, not out of it. But China’s government restricts capital inflows, even as it buys up dollars and parks them abroad, adding to a $2 trillion-plus hoard of foreign exchange reserves.

This policy is good for China’s export-oriented state-industrial complex, not so good for Chinese consumers. But what about the rest of us?

In the past, China’s accumulation of foreign reserves, many of which were invested in American bonds, was arguably doing us a favor by keeping interest rates low — although what we did with those low interest rates was mainly to inflate a housing bubble. But right now the world is awash in cheap money, looking for someplace to go. Short-term interest rates are close to zero; long-term interest rates are higher, but only because investors expect the zero-rate policy to end some day. China’s bond purchases make little or no difference.

Meanwhile, that trade surplus drains much-needed demand away from a depressed world economy. My back-of-the-envelope calculations suggest that for the next couple of years Chinese mercantilism may end up reducing U.S. employment by around 1.4 million jobs.

The Chinese refuse to acknowledge the problem. Recently Wen Jiabao, the prime minister, dismissed foreign complaints: “On one hand, you are asking for the yuan to appreciate, and on the other hand, you are taking all kinds of protectionist measures.” Indeed: other countries are taking (modest) protectionist measures precisely because China refuses to let its currency rise. And more such measures are entirely appropriate.

Or are they? I usually hear two reasons for not confronting China over its policies. Neither holds water.

First, there’s the claim that we can’t confront the Chinese because they would wreak havoc with the U.S. economy by dumping their hoard of dollars. This is all wrong, and not just because in so doing the Chinese would inflict large losses on themselves. The larger point is that the same forces that make Chinese mercantilism so damaging right now also mean that China has little or no financial leverage.

Again, right now the world is awash in cheap money. So if China were to start selling dollars, there’s no reason to think it would significantly raise U.S. interest rates. It would probably weaken the dollar against other currencies — but that would be good, not bad, for U.S. competitiveness and employment. So if the Chinese do dump dollars, we should send them a thank-you note.

Second, there’s the claim that protectionism is always a bad thing, in any circumstances. If that’s what you believe, however, you learned Econ 101 from the wrong people — because when unemployment is high and the government can’t restore full employment, the usual rules don’t apply.

Let me quote from a classic paper by the late Paul Samuelson, who more or less created modern economics: “With employment less than full ... all the debunked mercantilistic arguments” — that is, claims that nations who subsidize their exports effectively steal jobs from other countries — “turn out to be valid.” He then went on to argue that persistently misaligned exchange rates create “genuine problems for free-trade apologetics.” The best answer to these problems is getting exchange rates back to where they ought to be. But that’s exactly what China is refusing to let happen.
The bottom line is that Chinese mercantilism is a growing problem, and the victims of that mercantilism have little to lose from a trade confrontation. So I’d urge China’s government to reconsider its stubbornness. Otherwise, the very mild protectionism it’s currently complaining about will be the start of something much bigger.

网址如下:http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/0 ... ll%20dollars&st=cse
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2010-1-4 16:48:05
呵呵 先向人家学习吧 强了才有资格
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2010-1-4 17:08:14
当感性蒙住了理性的双眼后,我们看到的只是一个朦胧的世界
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2010-1-4 17:16:33
难得有反对的想法,但论据好想不够有力度
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2010-1-4 17:17:40
个人也感觉中国目前的经济发展好想主要是为了眼前的短暂利益,有点一代天子一代经济的感觉,政绩工程、、形象工程
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2010-1-4 17:33:23
自由是相对的,如果存在绝对自由,那就是政治偏好了
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2010-1-4 17:50:32
我觉得克鲁格曼 说得挺有道理的
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2010-1-4 18:02:00
好帖。。。顶一个。。。
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2010-1-4 18:15:33
大家的批评是我前进的动力,看来我还很不理智,很不专业,比较无知
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2010-1-4 18:56:26
每个人站的角度不一样,看问题得出的结论也不一样。更何况,克鲁格曼和我们是在两种不同的制度和社会环境中生活,他和我们的国家利益和个人利益都完全不同,再者他未必就很清楚得知道中国的具体国情,有些话纯属胡说八道而已,只不过是那些胡说八道的话是从一个诺贝尔经济学奖得主口里说出来罢了。所以未必见得的那些诺贝尔奖得主讲的话就是正确的。那些所谓大家评论看看就罢了。
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