金融学是什么??
在中国,金融学是经济色彩浓厚的学科,属于经济学院的建设模式,看看我们国内的关于金融方面的教材不难发现,研究金融都是是货币与宏观经济,金融机构等,可在西方,金融本质是管理科学,研究的是资产的定价组合等一系列微观层面的东西。这一来就在我们的学科建设方向上使国内一些学校茫然了。清华经管走的是浓厚西方的模式,当然这与他们的深刻的国际化特色是分不开的,与MIT,HARVARD等的联合使他们在这一学科上完全与西方接轨,而北大。。。。。。
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“清华经管走的是浓厚西方的模式,当然这与他们的深刻的国际化特色是分不开的,与MIT,HARVARD等的联合使他们在这一学科上完全与西方接轨”
—————— 完全与西方接轨吹的过的点。 他们现在主要的强点也就是王江等特聘教授回来上一些基础课。其实清华过去就没有货币银行那些旧包袱,偏财务、偏会计,所以他们的转型是很容易的。
“而北大则与国内等高校坚持着中国特色的金融学科道路”
——————这样说的话,是对北大光华的课程设计一点不了解了。经院也不会不变的吧,他们的学生可以自由选课的。
我倒觉得在中国目前,研究宏观的金融问题及其微观基础更重要,而不是资产定价。西方的金融制度已经很完美,至少像对于发展中国家而言是这样。而我国呢?现在还处于起步阶段,虽然可以借鉴西方的,但是也不能完全照搬。在这种不完善的金融制度和几乎没有什么金融工具的情况下,研究金融定价纯粹是一句空话。
楼主恐怕没有上过光华的课吧,中国完全可以并重,并非厚此薄彼,美国也是一样的,两方面大师都有的。
猪儿子问猪爸爸:地上有1元钱和十元钱,你拣那一张?
猪爸爸:当然是十元的了!
猪儿子:为什么不都拣起来那?
不知道楼猪是哪的人,有没有去看过光华金融系的师资状况和课程设置,以及学生的学习状况。
我告诉你一些事实吧:
1.光华金融系前任主任是周春生,普林斯顿的ph.d,现任主任是徐信忠,在英国lancaster大学拿到了教授职位,现在在光华金融主导教学和研究的改革。光华金融系的老师主要分为三拨:以老徐,周春生(国内我是说粮食和户口关系在国内,目前为止唯一一个在JFE上发表过文章的金融学人,不包括朗现平等HK人士)等为主的海龟派,大概占1/3,这几年进的全部是海龟;以史树中、杨云红红为主导的数学派,以数学出家,在金融数学和金融工程领域耕耘的人(包括南开派,史老师是南开的,被许校长挖过来的,还有其它的数学派),大概占1/3强,还有一小撮是以曹凤歧老师为代表的土鳖派,对这一派本人不做评论。
你可以看看,那种势力占上风!(可以去光华主页看看各位老师的背景)
2.光华本科金融是试验班,强化英语和数学教育,然后学习比较经典的经济学和金融学课程,本科生的老师自从出现99级的“驱赶老师”风波之后,系主任亲自带队,安排了以活跃在研究生讲台上的老师为主的队伍来给本科生上课,并且以海龟老师为主,用的教材基本都是国外的原版经典教材和老师的讲义为主,作风相当美派!
研究生的经济学跟应用经济学同上,romer和blanchard的宏观,mas-collel的微观,greene的计量,龚六堂老师的动态经济学方法,专业课有cochrane的ap(史老师讲),compbell的金融计量,hull的衍生品(杨云红),还有高级公司财务(主要是读paper)
同时还可以选修数学(测度,实变,常微),统计系的时间序列等,还可以选修应用经济的博弈论什么的,当然金融系自己的课程够多了,还有周春生老师的实证金融专题,等等,总之,只要想学习,那个地方给你足够累死的课程!
3.本人对清华的情况不是很了解,说说自己的看法吧,清华是最会超作的,借着几个特聘教授来做文章,但是你看看那些人那几个真正在国内待的时间很长的,系统的教授过课程的带过学生的,我也发现那边如今有特聘老师回来讲授课程,但是我觉得还是不够多。去年陈志武一段时间出现在光华金融联合系主任位置上(光华会计系的联合系主任是cornell的charlees,讲paper讲的非常漂亮),担今年在光华主页改版的时候去掉了,不知道是什么原因,但是陈老师每年都抽时间回来讲金融经济学理论,跟史老师的风格刚好互补,史老师侧重讲金融理论的推倒过程,而陈老师主要结合一些例子和金融现象来讲,我听来觉得陈老师讲得很动听,没有死板模型化。
4.另外,你去问问在光华金融系就读得博士们,尤其是从外校的硕士考来的(光华越来越喜欢自己的硕士硕博连读,2002年7个博士中有5个是硕博连读的,因为光华的基础课程的设置导致从外校考来的需要大量的时间补充基础课,那样4年毕业恐怕也比较难)博士们,问问他们对光华课程设置和学习的感觉,以及对比,你才知道目前国内金融系谁在认真的做金融的学习和研究!
所以,楼猪要学金融去光华看看吧,虽然光华这一年来不让外面的人听课,因为教室的问题,但是还是可以混进去的,去听听课,跟那的硕士,博士聊聊,你的眼界会大开的,不要信口胡说,让人觉得你什么都不懂的说!
上述帖子只是解释了一下楼猪在清华和北大光华之间对比的不正确性,当然北大的金融经院和ccer也有,但是经院主要是保险什么的,经院的改革还是比较落后,但这几年也在努力,你只要比较光华和经院,你就知道厉老师所做的事情了,太难了,在中国推行海派的改革,尤其是北大,你可想而知,ccer的金融主要是陈平搞的混沌什么的,但他们更倾向于纯粹的经济学!
对于楼猪提的那个问题,由于太忙了,有时间我再来发个帖子说说自己的观点,但我的观点是我们有自己的国情,但是普遍适用的规律是全球都通用的,我们需要学习别人探询规律的方法,所以我认为美国的那一套迟早要代替土鳖们所做的东东!
注意,不是形式上的代替,是骨子里代替,也就是寻求经济规律和原理的原动力和方法,但其表现形式可能不同!
有时间我再来细细展开我的观点!
不知道楼猪是哪的人,有没有去看过光华金融系的师资状况和课程设置,以及学生的学习状况。
我告诉你一些事实吧:
1.光华金融系前任主任是周春生,普林斯顿的ph.d,现任主任是徐信忠,在英国lancaster大学拿到了教授职位,现在在光华金融主导教学和研究的改革。光华金融系的老师主要分为三拨:以老徐,周春生(国内我是说粮食和户口关系在国内,目前为止唯一一个在JFE上发表过文章的金融学人,不包括朗现平等HK人士)等为主的海龟派,大概占1/3,这几年进的全部是海龟;以史树中、杨云红红为主导的数学派,以数学出家,在金融数学和金融工程领域耕耘的人(包括南开派,史老师是南开的,被许校长挖过来的,还有其它的数学派),大概占1/3强,还有一小撮是以曹凤歧老师为代表的土鳖派,对这一派本人不做评论。
你可以看看,那种势力占上风!(可以去光华主页看看各位老师的背景)
2.光华本科金融是试验班,强化英语和数学教育,然后学习比较经典的经济学和金融学课程,本科生的老师自从出现99级的“驱赶老师”风波之后,系主任亲自带队,安排了以活跃在研究生讲台上的老师为主的队伍来给本科生上课,并且以海龟老师为主,用的教材基本都是国外的原版经典教材和老师的讲义为主,作风相当美派!
研究生的经济学跟应用经济学同上,romer和blanchard的宏观,mas-collel的微观,greene的计量,龚六堂老师的动态经济学方法,专业课有cochrane的ap(史老师讲),compbell的金融计量,hull的衍生品(杨云红),还有高级公司财务(主要是读paper)
同时还可以选修数学(测度,实变,常微),统计系的时间序列等,还可以选修应用经济的博弈论什么的,当然金融系自己的课程够多了,还有周春生老师的实证金融专题,等等,总之,只要想学习,那个地方给你足够累死的课程!
3.本人对清华的情况不是很了解,说说自己的看法吧,清华是最会超作的,借着几个特聘教授来做文章,但是你看看那些人那几个真正在国内待的时间很长的,系统的教授过课程的带过学生的,我也发现那边如今有特聘老师回来讲授课程,但是我觉得还是不够多。去年陈志武一段时间出现在光华金融联合系主任位置上(光华会计系的联合系主任是cornell的charlees,讲paper讲的非常漂亮),担今年在光华主页改版的时候去掉了,不知道是什么原因,但是陈老师每年都抽时间回来讲金融经济学理论,跟史老师的风格刚好互补,史老师侧重讲金融理论的推倒过程,而陈老师主要结合一些例子和金融现象来讲,我听来觉得陈老师讲得很动听,没有死板模型化。
4.另外,你去问问在光华金融系就读得博士们,尤其是从外校的硕士考来的(光华越来越喜欢自己的硕士硕博连读,2002年7个博士中有5个是硕博连读的,因为光华的基础课程的设置导致从外校考来的需要大量的时间补充基础课,那样4年毕业恐怕也比较难)博士们,问问他们对光华课程设置和学习的感觉,以及对比,你才知道目前国内金融系谁在认真的做金融的学习和研究!
所以,楼猪要学金融去光华看看吧,虽然光华这一年来不让外面的人听课,因为教室的问题,但是还是可以混进去的,去听听课,跟那的硕士,博士聊聊,你的眼界会大开的,不要信口胡说,让人觉得你什么都不懂的说!
我补充几点:
1)史树中老师是当年陈佳洱校长在任时来到北大的。
2)我提醒一点,清华绝不是在炒作: 个人觉得他们那个CCFR的金融博士项目还是很强的。 事实上,清华经济系的主干课程也是金融系PHD的必修课,高级微观、宏观、计量都是两学期的课程,然后要通过综合考试。 客观的说,清华这些课的师资和讲授水平要比北大好,这点应该承认。
洪永淼的高级计量、谢丹阳的高宏、田国强、白重恩的高微,绝对是国内最好的。
就金融系来讲,王江、王坦、张春、周国富、曹辉宁等人也一直在开课。 这些人在华人金融学家里绝对是佼佼者。尤其是王江、王坦,他们的PUBLICATION被引用率是非常高的。(可以去他们的主页看看。)
特聘教授搞飞行教学,确实有些弊端——-时间短、不连续等等。 今年春季陈志武老师讲课时,我看听课的人也很少。 这种资源利用不起来,确实很可惜的。
课程体系的设计大致应该算可以了,这个东西参照国外的制定就可以了(师资除了自己的,还可以外聘一些)。一般不外乎这几门课
1) 金融经济学基础 2) 连续时间金融 3) 公司金融(应用契约理论)
4) 实证资产定价 5)实证公司金融 6)金融学论文讨论班
北美的金融强系,比如芝大金融系、UPENN沃顿金融系、NYU STERN 的金融系,因为师资阵容强大,还可以开很多金融专题课程。
以沃顿金融系04-05学年为例,就有Geoffrey Tate 的《Behavioral Finance》,
看一下一些排名不是最靠前的金融系的PHD培养计划与课程设置。
The Finance Department at the Kelley School of Business, Indiana University
http://www.kelley.iu.edu/finance/finphd.htm
http://www.kelley.iu.edu/finance/phdprog.htm
PROGRAM STRUCTURE
| FIRST YEAR | |
| FALL | SPRING |
| M560 Stochastic Processes E521 Microeconomic Theory I | M464 Probability Theory I or E621 Microeconomic Theory II M414 Real Analysis II or E673 Micro-econometrics |
| G651 Econometric Methods I | G652 Econometric Methods II |
| M413 Real Analysis I | F600 Asset Pricing Theory |
| X630 Teaching Development (1.5cr) | |
FIRST SUMMER |
| A Literature Review on a Finance topic |
SECOND YEAR | |
| FALL | SPRING |
| F605 Corporate Finance | F625 Empirical Asset Pricing |
| F644 Topics in Finance | F635 Market Microstructure |
| Elective: example - E671 Econometrics III | Elective: example – M 472 Numerical Analysis II |
SECOND SUMMER |
| Comprehensive exam |
| Start work on Research Paper |
THIRD YEAR | |
| FALL | SPRING |
| Presentation of Research Paper | |
| Elective: example - M511 Mathematical Statistics | |
FOURTH YEAR | |
| FALL | SPRING |
| Presentation of Preliminary Dissertation Proposal | |
Course Descriptions
F600 Asset Pricing Theory (3.0 Credits)
F605 Corporate Finance (3.0 Credits)
F625 Empirical Asset Pricing (3.0 Credits)
F635 Market Microstructure (3.0 Credits)
F644 Topics in Finance (3.0 Credits)
Prerequisites: None
Description: This course will build the foundation for all of the finance courses to follow. Specifically, there are four goals for each student to obtain: develop a fundamental knowledge of asset pricing theory under perfect capital markets, develop key analytic tools and modeling skills, develop basic academic writing skills, and gain exposure to state-of-the-art research.
Outline of Topics Covered:
Prerequisites: F600
Description: This seminar introduces the student to the major research directions in corporate finance. Papers are chosen either because they have initiated a major research strand or because they are representative of a particular mode of analysis. The objective is to get acquainted with significant research streams in corporate finance and become familiar with various analytical and methodological ideas.
Outline of Topics Covered:
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Prerequisites: F600
Description: This course will cover a select list of current research topics in empirical asset pricing. The main focus of the course will be on testing theories of asset price determination, with particular attention to exploring the interplay between economic theory, statistical assumptions, and relevant econometric techniques.
Outline of Topics Covered: 1. The Distributional Characteristics of Speculative Prices 1.1. Notions of Market Efficiency 1.2. Random Walks, Martingales, and Unconditional Fat Tails 1.3. Measurement Biases 1.4. Mean Reversion and Long-Run Predictability 1.5. Measuring, Modeling, and Forecasting Time-Varying Volatility 1.6. Leverage Effects, Asymmetry, and Conditional Mean-Variance Relationships 2. The Capital Asset Pricing Model 2.1. Unconditional Tests 2.2. Time Varying Means and Variances 3. Arbitrage and Multifactor Asset Pricing Models 4. Stochastic Discount Factors and Consumption Based Asset Pricing Models 4.1. Generalized Method of Moments (GMM) 4.2. Tests of the C-CAPM and the Equity Premium Puzzle 4.3. Habit Formation, State Non-separability, and Other Preferences 5. Present Value Relations 5.1. VAR and Cointegration Based Procedures 5.2. Volatility Tests 5.3. Forward Rates as Predictors of Future Spot Rates 6. The Term Structure of Interest Rates and Continuous Time Estimation
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Prerequisites: F600
Description: Theory and empirical analysis of trading and market making on security exchanges. Examines both trader strategy and market maker strategy. Provides basic theoretical and empirical building blocks. Analyzes a wide variety of applications including trading mechanisms, security design, and market design. Compares security exchange liquidity, informativeness, transparency, and volatility.
Outline of Topics Covered:
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Prerequisites: F600
Description: The first topic will cover theoretical and empirical issues related to financial intermediation. Class sessions in this topic will be a combination of lecture presentations and student presentations of selected papers. The second topic will be empirical corporate finance. Class sessions in this topic will consist of reading, presenting, and discussing articles. The students will have to present and turn in an original empirical corporate finance paper.
Typical Sub-Topics in Financial Intermediation
Typical Sub-Topics in Empirical Corporate Finance
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瑞典斯德格尔摩大学金融系PHD项目计划与主要课程设置—— Department of Finance, Stockholm School of Economics Four years of stimulating studies - a lifetime of exciting work A Ph.D. in Finance is highly regarded in the academic world as well as in the business community. Wherever you end up, you will find yourself a more rewarding occupation: intellectually and financially. The Ph.D. program starts with one year of courses in economics, mathematics and statistics. It is followed by a year of basic finance courses (asset pricing, derivatives, corporate finance, empirical finance) and specialized courses of your choice. There are good opportunities to take one or several of these courses abroad.To help you find a thesis subject many courses include term papers. Our seminar series, of high international standard, provides you with interesting ideas. Presenting and discussing research at conferences is also considered an integral part of writing a thesis.Financial support is arranged for four or five years, provided your academic progress is adequate. There is no tuition fee.Application deadline: 1 February every yearThe Ph.D.-program is a joint program with the departments of Economics and of Economic Statistics. Details about courses, how to apply, financial support, prerequisites and more can be found at the homepage of the Ph.D. Program in Economics, Econometrics and Finance.To get an idea of the career opportunities there is a list of Former PhD-students and their present positions. ———————————————————————— http://www.hhs.se/Finance/PhDProgram/PhDCoursesInFinance/PhDCoursesInFinance.htm PhD Courses in Finance Courses given every year Course Name Starting Exam Finance I Discrete Asset Pricing Theory March 2005 Monday, May 30, 10-15,at SSE, Room 550. Finance II Continuous Time Finance Oct 2005 Retake exam on Friday,May 27, 10-15, at SSE,Room 550. Finance III Empirical Asset Pricing Jan 2006 Finance IV Applied Contract Theory - Corporate Finance Aug 2005 Finance V Empirical Corporate Finance Oct 2005
Non-Recurrent Courses Course Name Starting Exam
Market Microstructure Sep 2002 Theory of Banking April 2001 Comparative Corporate Governance Nov 2000
Mini-Courses Course Name Starting Exam Behavioral Finance May 2001 The Japanese Financial System April 2001
—————————————————————————————————————————— Finance I: Discrete Asset Pricing Theory Description The focus of the course will be asset pricing (discounting risky cash flows to current prices) in a discrete time framework. In particular, we will investigate the restrictions the law of one price and the principle of no arbitrage place on security prices and returns, as well as develop well known parametric and non-parametric models of asset pricing. Contents General properties of asset pricing models Implications of the law of one price and no rrbitrage Parametric stochastic discount factors: The capital asset pricing model (CAPM) Multifactor models Consumption-based APM's Non-parametric stochastic discount factors Required Materials:
The course will be largely based on the notes that can be find here.
Recommended Optional Materials:- Cochrane, John H., 2001, Asset Pricing, Princeton University Press, Princeton, New Jersey.- Ingersoll, Jonathan E., 1987, Theory of Financial Decision Making, Rowman & Littlefield, Savage, Maryland - Campbell, John, Andrew Lo, and A. Craig MacKinlay, 1997, The Econometrics of Financial Markets, Princeton University Press, Princeton, New Jersey.- Huang, Chi-fu, and Robert H. Litzenberger, 1988, Foundations for Financial Economics, North-Holland, New York.- LeRoy, Stephen F., and Jan Werner, 2001, Principles of Financial Economics, Cambridge University Press, Cambridge. ———————————————————— Finance II: Continuous Time Finance
Description The object of this course is to provide an introduction to arbitrage theory in continuous time and in particular to pricing and hedging theory for financial derivatives. The course also contains an introduction to stochastic differential equations and Itô calculus, which are the main mathematical tools used in this field of research. Contents Mathematics:Stochastic integrals, the Ito formula, stochastic differential equations, Feynman-Kac representation theorems. Equity derivatives:Portfolio dynamics, the Black-Scholes model, pricing, completeness and hedging. Extensions:Dividends, currency derivatives. Incomplete markets:Pricing in a factor model, the market price of risk. Interest rate theory:Short rate models, affine term structures, inversion of the yield curve, forward rate models, the HJM approach. Change of numeraire:The normalized economy, pricing in a new numeraire, forward measures, the general option pricing formula, forward and futures —————————————————————— Finance III: Empirical Asset Pricing Description This course is intended for PhD students in finance and related fields. The goal of the course is to prepare students to conduct research in empirical asset pricing. After a review of econometric methods often used in empirical research, work in the following main areas will be covered: time varying moments of returns, intertemporal equilibrium models, and the cross-section of expected returns. If time permits, other topics (such as portfolio choice econometrics, stock market participation, and estimation of term structure models) will be covered。 Prerequisite There is no formal prerequisite for taking this course. It is, however, strongly recommended for students to have taken the compulsory econometrics/statistics courses in the PhD program and to be familiar with basic time series analysis. It is also assumed that students are familiar with the material in Finance I: Discrete Asset Pricing Theory Literature There is no required text book for the course. However, the following books will frequently be referenced: Campbell, John Y., Andrew W. Lo, and A. Craig MacKinlay, 1997, The Econometrics of Financial Markets (Princeton University Press, Princeton). Cochrane, John H., 2001 or 2005, Asset Pricing (Princeton University Press, Princeton). Hamilton, James D., 1994, Time Series Analysis (Princeton University Press, Princeton). A detailed reading list, comprised mainly of articles, will be given at the first class meeting.———————————————————————————————————— Finance IV: Applied Contract Theory - Corporate Finance Description This course offers a graduate level introduction to corporate finance theory. Rather than providing an exhaustive overview of the field, the course focuses in depth on selected topics, in particular the firms' financing choices (e.g., capital structure) and the allocation of corporate control. In addition, the course reviews the recent literature on institutional aspects of corporate finance. The material consists of modern game- and contract-theoretic tools applied to corporate finance. The course also aims at training students to use these tools for their own research. To this end, the course allocates time to the discussion of problem sets that the students are asked to solve in advance. While the course is compulsory for Ph.D students in finance, it is open to all Ph.D students in economics and of particular interest to those who specialize in modern microeconomics. (Ph.D students from other universities and doctoral programs are also welcome). Contents More specifically, the course intends to cover the following topics (one or the other topic may be shortened or omitted due to the limited time available). Modigliani-Miller Theorem Moral Hazard Models of Financial Contracting Asymmetric Information Models of Financial Contracting Other Theories of Financial Contracting Multiple Investors Transfer of Corporate Control Debt and Managerial Incentives Ownership Concentration and Corporate Control Legal Protection Prerequisite Since modern corporate finance theory relies heavily on advances in game and contract theory, participants are expected to be familiar with basic concepts in these areas of microeconomics. ———————————————————————————————— Finance V: Empirical Corporate Finance Description This aim of this course is to prepare Ph.D. students to do research in Empirical Corporate Finance. The course is organized around published and working papers in the field with an emphasis on econometric methods. Rather than providing an exhaustive overview of the field, the course focuses in depth on selected topics to illustrate different empirical approaches to the same or related questions. Using papers on ownership concentration and corporate governance, the course will highlight the following empirical themes: endogeneity, difference in difference estimators and event studies. To deepen their understanding of empirical research, students are required to write a term paper. The course requires a good knowledge of the 1st year Ph.D. courses in econometrics as well as some basic knowledge of corporate finance. It is open to all Ph.D. students.
Requirements Students are expected to read the assigned papers before class. The grade will be based on a combination of a research paper (70%), written assignments (20%) and class participation (10%). The research paper can have at most three co-authors. The point of the paper is that students start developing empirical skills. It does not have to be novel, for example, students can replicate a previous study using Swedish data. However, to obtain the highest grade, the paper should be original. Students are required to schedule an appointment with me to discuss their ideas and to hand in a proposal of 5-6 pages by the end of the course. The final paper is due in March. Students will be expected to become familiar with the statistical software necessary to write their paper on their own. Students will also be expected to search for their own data. The assignments consist of one computer exercise, whose purpose is to get students used to statistical software, and a referee report on a paper. Class participation involves discussions and, if the size of the class permits, presentations Textbooks There is no textbook that matches the contents of the course exactly. A useful reference for event studies is chapter 4 of • Campbell, J. Y., A. W. Lo and A. C. McKinlay, The Econometrics of Financial Markets, Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1997. A book that will be published soon and that we may cover parts of if it is available by the time the course starts is: • Eckbo, E. ed., Empirical Corporate Finance, North Holland Publishers, 200? A basic book covering Corporate Finance is:• Grinblatt, M. and S. Titman, Financial Markets and Corporate Strategy, Irwin/McGraw-Hill, 2nd edition. There is also no textbook that is the absolute bible for conducting empirical work. I have found the following book to be extremely useful: • Wooldridge, J. M., Econometric Analysis of Cross Section and Panel Data, Cambridge, Massachusetts: The MIT Press, 2002. Other useful econometrics books are: • Goldberger, A., A Course in Econometrics, Cambridge, Massachusetts: Harvard University Press, 1991.• Green, W., Econometric Analysis, New Jersey: Prentice Hall, 5th edition, 2003.
呵呵,提醒楼上的一个小错误:
Stockholm School of Economics 不是斯德哥尔摩大学的一部分,它是一个独立的大学,名字叫做斯德哥尔摩经济学院,是整个北欧最好的商学院。规模很小,不到2000人。但是非常精悍。号称瑞典哈佛。他的经济学和金融学整体上都比斯德哥尔摩大学要强了。曾经出了1977年的诺贝尔经济学奖。
因为曾经申请并拿到他的说是项目的录取,所以了解一些。不过最后没有去。
谢谢,确实是我的疏忽。SSE并不是Stockholm University 的一部分。 承你所说,SSE的经济学也不错,我去过几次Lars Ljungqvist 的主页。
FM3的补充很好,我没有贬低清华的意思,说炒作可能过分了一些,但是不得不承认那些老师在国内属于兼职,相当于赚取外快,因为国内的世界远远比他们在国外寂寞的学术世界耕耘丰富多彩,有一帮没什么水平的记者们的追随,有对中国政府政策的信口雌黄,能参加各种高档次的party的机会,再加上回来几个月就能赚到那么多在国外赚不到的外快,所以可以看到越来越多的人回国淘金,通过他们在国内几个月的收入和他们在国外的年薪比较就可以看出端倪,当然,他们的回来的确在一定程度上给国内的土鳖们开了眼界,钱可以这么赚,学问可以那样做,可能我的话有点过分,不排除为了繁荣中国学术而真心的回来交流的,但是动机我们很难揣测了,我们只能看效果了!而且他们的课都是集中讲授,或者安排在暑假,除非是自己真的想去跟着他们学或者有兴趣,否则效果会大打折扣!清华自己原有的老师在金融学和经济学的造诣和水平,本人实在不敢恭维,包括那位宋!
当然不得不承认,即使是目前步伐迈的比较大的光华,跟北美学校比较起来差距也不止是10年20年的差距,但是起码从他们的做法可以看到希望,看到我们将商学院的金融学走进前沿和正道的希望,看到国内很多学校还在将金融学定义为仅仅是货币银行和国际金融方面挣扎,真的觉得很着急!
这样我也终于体会到了邹恒甫老师的心情了,当然我们这种无名小卒是不能跟邹老师比的,邹老师至少给中国的经济学界和金融界带来了学术之风,但邹老师一直认为他自己是三流的水货,希望自己的学生超过自己,在学术上!
光华目前也受到了较大的束缚:
1.首先,遇到的最大的问题就是师资问题,比如最基础的课程,高微,高宏,没有特别的大家或者是适合给学生打基础,又能具有大家风范的老师来上课(比如目前光华开的数学课,包括常微,实变等都是数学院那边的资深老教授过来讲,讲的很不错,尤其是讲常微那位老师,很可爱的说),原来周黎安老师讲过一年,那年他刚从stanford回来,宏观只有龚六堂老师苦苦支撑,邹老师偶尔回来客串一下,但好像邹老师的使命是回来“革命”,不过邹老师的革命还是很有意思的说,呵呵,喜欢邹老师无暇的漫骂和对待纯粹学术的那种执着!于是,同学们只有抱着mascollel,DMT等书苦苦的啃啊,其实还是希望有一些高人给一些指点的,好在时不时有北美的高人过来传道授业,但是对真正想学习的人还是不够的,不过没有办法,牛人,包括牛华人们将“户口和粮食关系”迁回来的可能性不大,而那种飞行式的教学效果总是值得怀疑的,这也是国内高校在引进牛人方面遇到的很大的问题,光华最近又回来了不少北美的PH.D毕业生,但愿这些老师经过锻炼能够肩负起国内金融学振兴的大任!
2.课程设置的问题,光华金融系的课程设置跟国外比较起来还是有差距的,目前光华金融课程设置的指导思想不是很明确,既不学术也不职业,从高级微观,高级宏观,高级计量,到随机过程、动态优化到金融计量,高级公司财务,金融经济学,金融工程,衍生品,估值,固定收益等,我认为还是必修的课程太多了,我认为应该给学生们好几套课可选择方案:职业型的,学术型的,职业型的可以多学点案例型的和实务的,比如固定收益,投资银行,财务报表分析,估值等,这样可以在未来进入投行,银行领域能够学以致用,学术型的应该有侧重点,比如Asset Pricing的就应该偏重数学(包括测度,概率,动态优化,常微,实变,泛涵)课程,然后主攻定价啊,衍生品什么的,注重原创model能力的学习和训练,econometric方向的要注重统计,计量,数据处理等技能的训练,以便能够对数据处理和数据建模有较好的技能,corperate finance的就应该侧重对经济学中契约和博弈论,经济学,以及会计等课程的学习,以便真的能在公司财务领域展开研究。当然这只是理想的学术研究的道路而已,大凡能够作出点成绩的人不是学校的课程设置能够达到的,需要自己找准方向不懈的努力,但学校的课程设置可以起一个很好的知道作用!
3.学生的浮躁心理实目前学习和学术研究的大敌,毕竟因为社会评价机制和整个学术和商业环境的不成熟,造成现在在学校读博士或者硕士的人没有几个是想好好做纯学术的东西的,用邹老师的话说“都是想卖中药和西药的”在中国卖西药,在国外卖中药!学习浮躁,贪多不嚼烂,人云亦云等等,不过这个没办法,人活在世界上总是会受到很多东西的诱惑,比如goldman sachs给你年薪n多万刀的,你能不去吗,比如博士生穷的没钱谈恋爱或者养家糊口(博士们已经到了结婚的年龄了,没办法人之常情),但是我认为随着商业的和学术的取向逐渐正规,学者不再去江湖卖药,商业的人士不再来学校附庸风雅,各自把自己的事情干好,各自的价值取向趋于正常,达到动态平衡,学术才会繁荣,民族才会有希望,呵呵,越说越玄乎了哈!不过得承认,目前光华开出的4、5、6万刀的年薪足以让老师们认真的做学问,写paper,因为光华的老师晋升副教授需要在国际二流杂志两篇文章(国内的文章不算,因为国内的文章可以买的,包括大家认为比较好的经济研究的文章,我就发现有求导求错的,质量让人不敢相信,但不得不承认经济研究是国内这些矮子中的高个儿),教授需要国际一流一篇(金融的是JF,JFE,RFS,经济学的是AER,JPE,ECONOMETICA,RES,QJE),虽然跟国外的比(国际一流6-7篇)还有差距,但是可以看到我们的进步。
题外话:郎教授在JFE上可是发过好几篇文章的说,他的学术能力不应被置疑,起码比目前国内的绝大多数教授(所谓的金融学教授,报纸文章教授,也就是靠在报纸上发表文章或者攒书的教授)强吧,我们暂且不探讨他的那些关于国有企业改革话题背后的动机,能在JFE上发几篇文章不是象国内的很多金融学教授整天卖中西药就能搞定的说!
呵呵,早晨来又罗嗦了这么多,如果各位有什么兴趣欢迎讨论,我们不针对人,就讨论金融学等等相关话题!
最后申明,北美的牛校的金融是本人一贯很向往和喜欢的风格,比如NYU stern,MIT,Stanford,但是那是人家老美的,我们中国人需要自己的强国和强金融之路,需要自己的牛校,牛人,所以我不厌其烦的介绍了对光华金融的看法,和大家讨论!
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金融学和不少学科一样,本来就没有统一的定义
形式并不重要,路是自己走出来的……
还有楼上的那位在称呼上不要打错别字
“楼猪”不是错别字哈,是对楼主的亲切的叫法啊,网上约定俗成的啊!
我是河北大学的,大家听说过吗?我最近刚知道这个网站,看大家的学识这么丰富,我真的真的真的很是很是很是很惭愧。
本来要北大光华的研究生的,看来是没戏了。
zhouzuyu先生,您一定是北大的吧?请问您能否把您班上学时用的教材的名字和作者急出版社告诉我,我想买些书看。
西西了!
我有个加拿大的老师讲课,我问过他关于我们所说的宏观金融和微观金融的概念,他说在西方是没有这样的名词的
在我们中国看来很普遍的概念,他竟然没有听说过!
也许确实是这样,只有中国才有这样的区分概念吧~
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