最近一周,有几位网友把自己的“独特研究”发到论坛上来,和某些“大师”一样,这些研究自然和最基本的经济学原理相违背,而且姿态摆得很高,喜欢说“谦虚点儿就教给你”。
我没怎么发言,因为我一直想等到这些朋友把自己的“料”都爆出来再从头驳斥一下,可是等啊等啊,说来说去,还是那些套话,没有一点扎实的东西。
(不光是我有这种感觉哦,很多网友都说:不就是“按人发钱”吗?怎么没完没了啦?)
虽然绝大部分网友按照他们的标准都不够“谦虚”,还是有些年轻的网友没能识破他们啊,怎么自始至终这些高人们没有把自己的理论体系和推导过程想这些真诚的年轻人阐述清楚呢?是有点敝帚自珍呢?还是在他们的思维里面,压根就没有这样的理论体系?
我将HWD99网友的历史上发的帖子集中在一起,“比较认真”的看了一遍,发现确实有个“理论体系”,不过这个体系,也许因为说出来会令人错愕,几位朋友似乎只是用独到的“擦边球”技术蹭来蹭去,却从来不说清楚。
这个“体系”最初是由一个不引起人注意的帖子开始的:
揭穿主流经济学家卖国谬论,兼论如何发展我国经济
https://bbs.pinggu.org/thread-339956-1-1.html
在这个帖子里面,hwd99先生提到了七项原则,声称:
揭穿主流经济学家贩卖的卖国谬论,系统论证发展国家经济应遵循的主要原则。主要包括:
1、任何时候,任何情况下,增加外贸顺差,是奉送我们的财富,有害国家经济发展;
2、任何时候,任何情况下,国家都没有资金缺乏问题,引进外来投资有害国家经济发展;
3、提高居民收入,增加消费是发展国家经济的必要条件;压低居民收入有害经济发展和资本家利益;
国家发展经济,应以可持续的国民收入为主要评价数据。
......................(其余原则基本是套话,和按人发钱没什么关系,在此省略。)
在一段时间内,这个帖子好像受到了冷遇。
但是hwd先生并不死心,他连续的发了很多内容贯彻上文思想的帖子,换了很多更能刺激人激动的标题。见下:
黄卫东:一分钟读懂我国经济增长中的问题
作者:hwd99 浏览:1654 回复:30 → 真实世界的经济学 2008-10-3 21:30:00
黄卫东 如何评价不同时代经济:新中国前后三十年比较
作者:hwd99 浏览:291 回复:1 → 真实世界的经济学 2008-9-30 21:36:00
[原创]评郎咸平对我国经济发展的观点
作者:hwd99 浏览:349 回复:3 → 真实世界的经济学 2008-9-30 18:09:00
黄卫东 西方经济学是如何误导国人的
作者:hwd99 浏览:651 回复:10 → 宏观经济学 2008-9-29 19:21:00
黄卫东 解决当前我国经济问题的根本措施是提高普通劳动者收入
作者:hwd99 浏览:213 回复:0 → 宏观经济学 2008-9-29 19:10:00
评论林毅夫对我国宏观经济的一些观点
作者:hwd99 浏览:1494 回复:50 → 真实世界的经济学 2008-11-1 13:52:00
发展30年,为什么富裕程度远低于日韩?谈我国GDP水分
作者:hwd99 浏览:762 回复:12 → 真实世界的经济学 2008-10-31 20:01:00
压低劳动者工资有害国家经济发展和资本家利益
作者:hwd99 浏览:194 回复:2 → 真实世界的经济学 2008-10-30 13:27:00
吸引外来投资有害国家经济发展,中国不缺资金
作者:hwd99 浏览:560 回复:22 → 真实世界的经济学 2008-10-29 22:32:00
增加外贸顺差,是奉送我们的财富
作者:hwd99 浏览:1623 回复:63 → 真实世界的经济学 2008-10-28 13:55:00
如果各位是像我这样看完一遍的,各位就会发现,其实这些文章都是由最初的两篇文章改头换面或者截长就短变来的,不要说思路,其实就是相同的句子,都到处可以找到。
然后让我们来看看,这个“思路”到底是什么?
[此贴子已经被作者于2008-11-23 13:22:06编辑过]
思路到底是什么?
首先看看这句话:按人发钱是最稳健、最有效率、最公平的货币政策。
既然是“按人发钱”,又怎么会是“货币政策”呢?
也许两位网友可以用“我学的不是你们那套西方经济学”来解释,
但是为何这许多人向你们要求说明,
为何两位还是迟迟不愿说出自己的理论体系呢?
用曹院士的话说,只要上网一搜就有了,呵呵呵。
因此,我只能猜想,也许和国外的食品券教育券不同,两位网友希望发放的“现金”,
是需要央行印刷出来相当于出口货物的价值的人民币,直接提供给每个人的。
所以要先说,曼昆的“政府发行过多货币,物价上升”是错误的,这样就不会带来通胀的后果。
以及“吸引外来投资有害国家经济发展,中国不缺资金”“ 增加外贸顺差,是奉送我们的财富”,
这是为停止出口和吸引外资铺平理论道路。
[此贴子已经被作者于2008-11-21 22:14:14编辑过]
这个文章到底有多少问题呢?实在是多了点儿。
1、含糊:云山雾罩
究竟是财政政策还是货币政策,希望大家都已经清楚了,不用我多说。
还有其他方面的说明,也是非常含糊。
比如:如何支付这笔钱?怎样保证这笔钱被使用而非被储蓄?如何防止这些钱被滥用?如何控制物价的稳定?
2、数字:上下其手
两位的数字运用的很好,可以说是想怎样忽悠就怎样忽悠。不信?看看:
比方说2万亿的铁路。同样的2万亿,用于投资以后,按照目前的分配比例,大概能有10% 转化为消费需求,也就是2千亿。但是,同样是2万亿,如果按人发钱,大概能有80%会转化为消费需求,也就是1.6万亿。
我想,铁路的原料的生产,是否也会产生工资?铁路工人和生产铁路建筑材料工人的消费,
是否也会形成新的消费?
更关键的,铁路形成之后的作用,又岂是直接发现金就能取代的?
而直接发给人的现金,如何就能保证80%会转化为消费需求?
3、名家:死活通吃
说实话,我就是被“目前,获得诺贝尔经济学奖的西蒙、米德、佛里德曼、哈耶克、索罗等5位经济学家完全支持按人发钱。”这句话吓过去的,感觉不看看不行啊。
也许我英文学的不好,看不懂引用的那些“按人发钱大会”网页上的专家语录和按人发钱有何关系。
但是这句中文我是能看懂的,这句中文充分的说明了,作者认为“目前”,5位大师“完全支持”。
[此贴子已经被作者于2008-11-21 21:04:54编辑过]
一个不懂经济学的人只好重复发帖。没有一定的知识作理论依据,看了只会让人笑话,没想到竟然还有人会支持这个HWD。
[此贴子已经被作者于2008-11-21 20:32:02编辑过]
国家财政具有再分配的作用,当一个国家的财政收入足以支付经常性支出等情况下,考虑成本效益原则,按人头发钱,特别是在整个社会需求不足时,实行按人头发放限期限品种的购物卷未偿不可。当然这种做法,在我国基础设施,公共医疗等建设还永远没有饱和的状况下并不可取。
到底是发钱还是发购物券啊
发购物卷比发钱好,在经济不景气时发钱居民往往还是把钱存在银行,不用来消费,发购物卷就逼迫他们不得不购物,这样就拉动了需求,这对整个经济的恢复更有利。
国家财政具有再分配的作用,当一个国家的财政收入足以支付经常性支出等情况下,考虑成本效益原则,按人头发钱,特别是在整个社会需求不足时,实行按人头发放限期限品种的购物卷未偿不可。当然这种做法,在我国基础设施,公共医疗等建设还永远没有饱和的状况下并不可取。
正如老兄所言,如果是由财政收入为部分低收入群体提供“限期限品种的购物券”,
根本上,并无真正不妥之处,无非就是执行时的适度与否罢了。
但两位网友的意思是,1、停止出口;2、由央行发放同样数量的人民币,以补偿出口的减少。

但两位网友的意思是,1、停止出口;2、由央行发放同样数量的人民币,以补偿出口的减少。

这当然不对,并且十分谎唐
中国人比较喜欢说“诛心之言”,那么,到底“按人发钱”背后是什么呢?
如果真正追求公平,就应该支持对于农机化肥种子农村公共设施,城市低保医保太阳能之类的补贴。
而不是说什么一人一份,那叫追求公平?
在目前的经济形势下,我完全支持首先满足公平,真正的公平。
我提醒大家,社会很复杂,有些人打着“公平”的旗号,装出一副伪善的外貌,
其实是想把中央的“以民为本”的思想推向一个荒谬无比的结论,
从而使善良的人民对中央的某些决策产生怀疑和动摇。
这样的伎俩在任何时候都是有市场的,比如地震期间,写那首“肉麻诗”的文联主席,
我认为不是真想表达他的一片赤胆忠心,而是刻毒无比,否则他为何说:
“既然已经写出,一切任人评说。 ”
(类似的,还有发“猪坚强”之类的媒体。)
要看新的论文,你先说一下你把“工资与就业的关系”搞清楚了没有?是正相关、负相关、还是弱相关或无关?我的那篇论文你看了没有?文献够不够权威?是不是让你们一下子从一个三流的讲师提升到一流经济学家的高度。你再去问一下你周围的那些个博导,看他们有没有掌握这些最新的研究成果,给学生是怎样讲的——是不是在胡说八道。
学了这么多,要不要感谢一下。
发钱的论文你们现在还看不到,因为你们的接受能力太差了,怕把你们吓着。因为我说到“工资与就业的关系”时有的人就想吐。我在万科那么长时间,很多人都吐过,后来乖乖地把吐出来的东西全吃下去了。我可不想折腾你们。
要看新的论文,你先说一下你把“工资与就业的关系”搞清楚了没有?是正相关、负相关、还是弱相关或无关?我的那篇论文你看了没有?文献够不够权威?是不是让你们一下子从一个三流的讲师提升到一流经济学家的高度。你再去问一下你周围的那些个博导,看他们有没有掌握这些最新的研究成果,给学生是怎样讲的——是不是在胡说八道。
学了这么多,要不要感谢一下。
发钱的论文你们现在还看不到,因为你们的接受能力太差了,怕把你们吓着。因为我说到“工资与就业的关系”时有的人就想吐。我在万科那么长时间,很多人都吐过,后来乖乖地把吐出来的东西全吃下去了。我可不想折腾你们。
又是这套小伎俩。
先不管别人说的是什么,上来就说“要看新的论文,你先说一下你把“工资与就业的关系”搞清楚了没有?”
我并不是在向你请教啊,请您有点自知之明好吧。
您连上面的我提出的问题都回答不了,您自己最基础的理论“是财政还是货币”都难以自圆其说。
还好意思说这些?
[em01][em01]思路到底是什么?
首先看看这句话:按人发钱是最稳健、最有效率、最公平的货币政策。
既然是“按人发钱”,又怎么会是“货币政策”呢?
也许两位网友可以用“我学的不是你们那套西方经济学”来解释,
但是为何这许多人向你们要求说明,
为何两位还是迟迟不愿说出自己的理论体系呢?
用曹院士的话说,只要上网一搜就有了,呵呵呵。
因此,我只能猜想,也许和国外的食品券教育券不同,两位网友希望发放的“现金”,
是需要央行印刷出来相当于出口货物的价值的人民币,直接提供给每个人的。

呵呵,一直没理这个贴子,闹是半天阁下是在找我麻烦啊。那好吧,在求心那个贴子上我是不好卖弄的观点的,这里就卖弄吧。
首先,我认为央行每年增加印制的货币应该无偿发行,这就是所谓的货币无偿发行原理。 http://www.xslx.com/htm/jjlc/csjr/2008-03-27-22615.htm 。文中说乘数货币是对公众财富的掠夺,这部分是错的,这里也予以纠正。
那么为什么货币(纸币)要无偿发行呢?这在于纸币与金属货币不同,金属货币是以其本身的价值(购置价)与其它商品交换,正好符合等价交换原则;纸币是以其面值与其它商品交换,由于其面值远远大于生产它的成本,这违反等价交换原则。所以央行得无偿发行其印制的纸币,否则就是掠夺公众的财富。注意:西经讲的货币发行与这里的货币发行不是一回事。商行的贷款行为是不能真正发行货币的,因为借款=还款。西经显然忘记了还款。
其次,是货币注入口(发行渠道)问题,即央行是通过那个途径发行其货币。理论上看。实际经济体系中任何位子都可以是货币的注入口,发给你与发给我是等效的。但是由于发行的货币均匀分布到整个经济系统有个时间过程,自然注入口处收益最大。毫无疑问,我这个理论中不排除按人发钱方式。
再此,那些货币注入口是合理的问题。就目前来看,央行印制的货币好像只是发给政府,这自然是无偿的,不是有偿的。这样,发行渠道显得单调,问题多多。目前最大的问题是政府总是按照凯恩斯理论投资于生产领域,这离政府要解决的问题很远(比如提高国民收益),不直接,效率低下。这次我赞同多选择几个货币注入口,其中包含按人发钱。
最后,由于央行将货币发给政府后就与财政收入混为一体了,所以,这里除非政府收入是透明的,我们知道政府和央行的来往明晰帐目,否则我们不太好区分二者。
好了,你批判吧。很多人士用主经批判我的货币无偿发行原理,如果阁下也这样的话,希望你能将“还款表”拿出来,别用“只借不还”的主流教条来浪费我的时间。
按人发钱/基本收入的倡导者名单
Advocates
Many countries have political parties that advocate a basic income, such as the Green Party of Canada, Green Party of England and Wales, Vivant (Belgium), De Groenen (The Netherlands), the Scottish Green Party, and the New Zealand Democratic Party.
Worldwide, supporters of a basic income have united in the Basic Income Earth Network. BIEN recognizes numerous national advocacy groups.
The world's most noted advocate of a basic income system may be the Belgian economist Philippe van Parijs.[7] Other advocates include Gunnar Adler-Karlsson (Sweden), Dieter Althaus (Germany)[8], Saar Boerlage (Netherlands)[9], Herwig Büchele (Austria), Andre Gorz (France)[10], Michael Hardt and Antonio Negri[11], Charles Murray (USA), Keith Rankin (New Zealand)[12], Daniel Raventós (Spain)[13], Osmo Soininvaara (Finland))[14], Eduardo Suplicy (Brazil)[15], Walter van Trier (Belgium)[16] and Götz W. Werner (Germany).
In 1968, James Tobin, Paul Samuelson, John Kenneth Galbraith and another 1,200 economists signed a document calling for the US Congress to introduce in that year a system of income guarantees and supplements. In the 1972 presidential campaign, Senator George McGovern called for a 'demogrant' that was very similar to a basic income. Mike Gravel, a former candidate for the 2008 Democratic nomination for President of the United States and a candidate for the 2008 Libertarian nomination for the President of the United States, advocates for a tax rebate paid in a monthly check from the government to all citizens.[17]
Winners of the Nobel Prize in Economics that fully support a basic income include Herbert Simon[18], Friedrich Hayek, James Meade, Robert Solow, and Milton Friedman[19].
In his final book Full employment regained? James Meade states that a return to full employment can only be achieved if, among other things, workers offer their services at a low enough price, that the required wage for unskilled labour would be too low to generate a socially desirable distribution of income, and that therefore a citizen's income would be necessary.[20]
In his Robotic Nation essays, Marshall Brain argues that the growing amount of automation in the workplace will eventually displace a large percentage of workers, and that in order to be able to maintain the economy, an annual stipend will be needed.[21] A similar argument was made by Jeremy Rifkin, in his book The End of Work.[22]
17 Gravel presidential campaign 2008: "How Mark stands on the issues".
18 ^ Herbert A. Simon, "UBI and the Flat Tax. A response to 'A Basic Income for All' by Philippe van Parijs", Boston Review, 2000
19^ Milton Friedman, "Capitalism and Freedom", University of Chicago Press, 1962
20^ James Edward Meade, "Full Employment Regained?", Cambridge University Press, 1995, ISBN 052155697X
21^ [11] Marshall Brain, "Robotic Freedom", 2003
22^ Jeremy Rifkin, "The End of Work - The Decline of the Global Labor Force and the Dawn of the Post-Market Era", Tarcher/Putnam, New York, 1995
呵呵,一直没理这个贴子,闹是半天阁下是在找我麻烦啊。那好吧,在求心那个贴子上我是不好卖弄的观点的,这里就卖弄吧。
首先,我认为央行每年增加印制的货币应该无偿发行,这就是所谓的货币无偿发行原理。 http://www.xslx.com/htm/jjlc/csjr/2008-03-27-22615.htm 。文中说乘数货币是对公众财富的掠夺,这部分是错的,这里也予以纠正。
那么为什么货币(纸币)要无偿发行呢?这在于纸币与金属货币不同,金属货币是以其本身的价值(购置价)与其它商品交换,正好符合等价交换原则;纸币是以其面值与其它商品交换,由于其面值远远大于生产它的成本,这违反等价交换原则。所以央行得无偿发行其印制的纸币,否则就是掠夺公众的财富。注意:西经讲的货币发行与这里的货币发行不是一回事。商行的贷款行为是不能真正发行货币的,因为借款=还款。西经显然忘记了还款。
其次,是货币注入口(发行渠道)问题,即央行是通过那个途径发行其货币。理论上看。实际经济体系中任何位子都可以是货币的注入口,发给你与发给我是等效的。但是由于发行的货币均匀分布到整个经济系统有个时间过程,自然注入口处收益最大。毫无疑问,我这个理论中不排除按人发钱方式。
再此,那些货币注入口是合理的问题。就目前来看,央行印制的货币好像只是发给政府,这自然是无偿的,不是有偿的。这样,发行渠道显得单调,问题多多。目前最大的问题是政府总是按照凯恩斯理论投资于生产领域,这离政府要解决的问题很远(比如提高国民收益),不直接,效率低下。这次我赞同多选择几个货币注入口,其中包含按人发钱。
最后,由于央行将货币发给政府后就与财政收入混为一体了,所以,这里除非政府收入是透明的,我们知道政府和央行的来往明晰帐目,否则我们不太好区分二者。
好了,你批判吧。很多人士用主经批判我的货币无偿发行原理,如果阁下也这样的话,希望你能将“还款表”拿出来,别用“只借不还”的主流教条来浪费我的时间。
曹院士误会了,我没想和你为难。
实事求是的说,你的理论正确与否,还在其次,关键你还是说出你的思路了,说明您还是敢于面对问题的。
而这两位先生则是始终不肯说明自己的想法,究竟为何?
今天晚了,您的理论的问题,我们明天再提。

财政发行是经济发行的对称。是国家为弥补财政赤字而增加的货币发行。
财政发行是国家为弥补财政赤字或财政透支而增加的纸币发行。国家通过财政发行能够取得财政收入。财政发行具有无偿性,人们叫它“发行税”或“隐蔽的税收”。其强制性表面不明显,实际上由于货币是国家规定流通和使用的,所以财政发行具有很强的强制性。
一国的财政预算,主要靠政府收入来保持政府支出,并保持财政收支的基本平衡。当政府支出增长过快,而收入增长有限时,就会发生财政赤字。出现赤字以后,可能采用多种筹资措施,如增加税种、提高税率以扩大税收来源,向社会发行财政债券,向银行借款(或透支)或要求中央银行购买财政债券。财政扩大税收或向企业与个人出售财政债券不会引起中央银行货币供应量的扩张,因而也不会出现直接的财政发行;而向中央银行借款要求中央银行购买财政债券,则会直接影响中央银行的货币供应量,是一种因财政赤字引起的货币创造,有可能导致通货膨胀。
财政发行不直接等同于通货膨胀。用货币创造来弥补财政赤字,还有赤字性质、赤字变化趋势以及赤字额度大小与时期长短的区别在政府非生产 性支出膨胀战争与社会波动而造成财政赤字,或财政赤字延续时间很长的情况下,国家只能靠增发货币来弥补预算赤字,这样,必然会使货币供应量不断增长,引起 物价水平上升,从而导致通货膨胀。如果是由于政府对生产建设的早期投资过大而出现赤字,但在一定生产和投资周期中有可靠的收入增长,且赤字的数量不大或持 续时间很短,那么,即使用增发货币来弥补财政赤字,一般在货币滞后效应的6~24个月以内,也不一定导致通货膨胀;因出现暂时性的财政赤字而增发的货币只会引起物价水平的一次性上升,而不会助长通货膨胀。
中国在1958~1960年60年代末到70年代中期1985年后的几年中都出现过数额不等的财政发行,其方式主要是财政部向中国人民银行的借款和存款帐户透支。在经济体制改革中,财政部对企业发行国库券和其他债券来平衡预算,在理论上不影响中央银行的货币供应量但由于中国的资金市场不发达,企业管理中漏洞多,银行几乎承担全社会的流动资金供应,因而一部分财政赤字和企业虚盈实亏与挤占挪用,间接而迂回地转化为财政发行,加大了货币供给的压力,成为通货膨胀的一个重要因素。
财政发行与税收的最大区别,在于税收是以社会总产品为基础,是国民收入的一部分,有物资保证,一般不会引起物价上涨和经济紊乱。而财政发行,则没有相应的社会产品作基础。在商品数量和货币流通速度不变的情况下,物价高低同货币多少成正比例,滥发纸币造成虚假的购买力,这样就会导致货币贬值,物价上涨,社会经济紊乱。马克思曾经指出:“这种使本国货币贬值的措施,也许是在征税方面的登峰造极的发明,因为这种做法就是税上加税。”财政发行在资本主义国家是经常现象,政府把它作为弥补财政收支差额的良方。我国早在宋、元时代,就采用这种办法。新中国成立后,国家严格控制货币发行。
由此可见,财政发行虽具有无偿性、强制性,取得财政收入收款快,办法简单,但容易引起通货膨胀,破坏社会经济秩序,危害人民生活。因此,财政发行不宜作为国家取得财政收入的形式。
你当我不懂英语啊. 老大, 保证最低收入和你的 货币增发能画上等号吗?
还有你的REFFERENCE 根本就有问题. 这就是一个明显的问题所在.
Winners of the Nobel Prize in Economics that fully support a basic income include Herbert Simon[18], Friedrich Hayek, James Meade, Robert Solow, and Milton Friedman[19].
18 ^ Herbert A. Simon, "UBI and the Flat Tax. A response to 'A Basic Income for All' by Philippe van Parijs", Boston Review, 2000
19^ Milton Friedman, "Capitalism and Freedom", University of Chicago Press, 1962
之后我自己又把 UBI and the Flat Tax. A response to 'A Basic Income for All' 这文章看了. 根本就和你这种通货货币增发之后再发钱的搞笑理论完全碰不上边.
http://bostonreview.net/BR25.5/simon.html 原本在这里. 各位自己看.
UBI and the Flat Tax
A response to "A Basic Income for All"by Philippe van Parijs.
Herbert A. Simon
I am in strong general agreement with Philippe Van Parijs’s argument for a UBI or "patrimony"–a portion of the product of a society that should be shared by all of those who inhabit that society. To establish such a patrimony is equivalent to recognizing shared ownership of a significant fraction of the resources, physical and intellectual, that enable the society to produce what it produces. As the essay makes a very strong case for the UBI and its feasibility, I will limit my comments to just two issues: (1) why a UBI (or patrimony) would be just; and (2) some problems of incentives that such a system poses and that need to be handled effectively.
Justice
When we compare average incomes in rich nations with those in Third World countries, we find enormous differences that are surely not due simply to differences in motivations to earn. Laziness is not a principal cause of poverty. A more plausible explanation for the differences, in fact the explanation that is universally put forward, is that much greater resources per capita are available to some countries than to others. These differences are not simply a matter of acres of land or tons of coal or iron ore, but, more important, differences in social capital that takes primarily the form of stored knowledge (e.g., technology, and especially organizational and governmental skills).
Exactly the same claim can be made about the differences in incomes within any given society. In large part, these differences must be attributed to differences in capital ownership, of which the largest part is social capital: knowledge, and participation in kinship and other privileged social relations. In addressing the question of justice, therefore, we are assessing the justice of inheritance of such resources along bloodlines. This is a question of value, not of fact. I personally do not see any moral basis for an inalienable right to inherit resources, or to retain all the resources that one has acquired by means of economic or other activities.
The usual argument for such a right is based on the assumption of perfectly competitive markets where factors of production are paid their marginal values and where there are no externalities. But this assumption does not hold to any reasonable degree of approximation in real societies. Access to the social capital–a major source of differences in income, between and within societies–is in large part the product of externalities: membership in a particular society, and interaction with other members of that society under practices that commonly give preferred access to particular members.
How large are these externalities, which must be regarded as owned jointly by members of the whole society? When we compare the poorest with the richest nations, it is hard to conclude that social capital can produce less than about 90 percent of income in wealthy societies like those of the United States or Northwestern Europe. On moral grounds, then, we could argue for a flat income tax of 90 percent to return that wealth to its real owners. In the United States, even a flat tax of 70 percent would support all governmental programs (about half the total tax) and allow payment, with the remainder, of a patrimony of about $8,000 per annum per inhabitant, or $25,000 for a family of three. This would generously leave with the original recipients of the income about three times what, according to my rough guess, they had earned.
Incentives
Economists are always quick to point out that people must be properly motivated to be productive. If average returns to effort were uniformly reduced by a factor of three, it is not clear why motivation to earn more would be reduced. The behavior of two-income families in the United States suggests that the desire for income is related much more to processes of social comparison than to the real wage rate after taxes or the relative desire for goods and leisure. Similar questions may be raised about savings and capital accumulation, but in discussing them, private savings should not be dissociated from social saving (either by government or by the processes of social exchange themselves), which commonly produces externalities that are not evaluated by the market and appear nowhere in the social accounts. In any event, the questions about incentives to work and save are empirical questions that should be settled by experimentation and observation and not by philosophical debate.
I have focused on a UBI within a single nation. Let me leave aside questions of justice in reallocation of income among nations, and simply observe, as has been observed by many developmental economists, that reallocation can be accomplished at a relatively low cost by the export of knowledge rather than tangible resources. It is true that per capita income in wealthy nations might decline with increasing competition from those thereby endowed, but again, these effects of export of know-how need to be evaluated empirically and not simply posited by fiat. Meanwhile, the spread of multi-national corporations, with their power to allocate capital throughout the globe, may settle the question, for better or worse, before our empirical inquiries are complete. The historical record suggests that attempts to keep technological advantages within national boundaries are not usually successful for long.
No discussion of income redistribution should conclude without considering its impact on resource conservation and population. Sustainability must be a central concern in all questions of national and global social policy. Increase in income has, in recent centuries, been the most potent means that has been found for stabilizing populations, but at the cost, alas, of increased energy production, which aggravates the problems of maintaining the quality of life on our Earth. (Bringing the Third World up to Western energy levels would multiply the carbon dioxide problem by a factor of at least ten!) We must focus on converting income and savings to forms that are more benign in this respect.
Herbert A. Simon is University Professor of Psychology and Computer Science at Carnegie Mellon University. In 1978, he received the Nobel Prize in Economic Sciences.
所以说你这样的人无耻就是无耻.
而另外一篇文章, 就是这个讨论文章当中,连接就是在这里 http://www.bostonreview.net/BR25.5/vanparijs.html
UBI Defined
By universal basic income I mean an income paid by a government, at a uniform level and at regular intervals, to each adult member of society. The grant is paid, and its level is fixed, irrespective of whether the person is rich or poor, lives alone or with others, is willing to work or not. In most versions–certainly in mine–it is granted not only to citizens, but to all permanent residents.
The UBI is called "basic" because it is something on which a person can safely count, a material foundation on which a life can firmly rest. Any other income–whether in cash or in kind, from work or savings, from the market or the state–can lawfully be added to it. On the other hand, nothing in the definition of UBI, as it is here understood, connects it to some notion of "basic needs." A UBI, as defined, can fall short of or exceed what is regarded as necessary to a decent existence.
但是这里面根本就没有说这是货币增发.
而另外一种形式. 则就是 NIT
NIT
Though the details vary, the basic idea of a negative income tax is to grant each citizen a basic income, but in the form of a refundable tax credit. From the personal tax liability of each household, one subtracts the sum of the basic incomes of its members. If the difference is positive, a tax needs to be paid. If it is negative, a benefit (or negative tax) is paid by the government to the household. In principle, one can achieve exactly the same distribution of post-tax-and-transfer income among households with a UBI or with an NIT. Indeed, the NIT might be cheaper to run, since it avoids the to-and-fro that results from paying a basic income to those with a substantial income and then taxing it back.
假如说基本收入保障,或者说生活保障. 论坛上没有人会反对, 我反对的也只是过度的福利开支.
你真正恶心的就是,把完全不同的东西都混到一起去。
就算真的发购物券,那到底怎么个发法啊?
到时一定有无数的人来评论公平的问题了
真对网上诸如“黄党”之流的无语了
没什么知识 或者懂那么点皮毛就大吹特吹了
极度鄙视哪些人
楼主的耐性可真好 竟然把哪些狗屁文章研究了下
虽然我想到今天一早会有人用灌水的方式来回答问题,但是没想到是银月老兄。
我不明白,您引用的百度知道和维基百科的若干内容,和你们“按人头发钱”有何关系?
难道您是想让大家学习一下,什么是“货币政策”中,最基本的知识?

太长的几个跟贴我删了,以防弄得别人不愿学习你的帖子。
按人发钱/基本收入的倡导者名单
Winners of the Nobel Prize in Economics that fully support a basic income include Herbert Simon[18], Friedrich Hayek, James Meade, Robert Solow, and Milton Friedman[19].
17 Gravel presidential campaign 2008: "How Mark stands on the issues".
18 ^ Herbert A. Simon, "UBI and the Flat Tax. A response to 'A Basic Income for All' by Philippe van Parijs", Boston Review, 2000
19^ Milton Friedman, "Capitalism and Freedom", University of Chicago Press, 1962
20^ James Edward Meade, "Full Employment Regained?", Cambridge University Press, 1995, ISBN 052155697X
21^
[11] Marshall Brain, "Robotic Freedom", 2003
22^ Jeremy Rifkin, "The End of Work - The Decline of the Global Labor Force and the Dawn of the Post-Market Era", Tarcher/Putnam, New York, 1995
您举出这些大师的名头,是想吓唬这些学经济学的人呢?
还是想告诉大家:我不理你们学的那套“西方经济学”?
连这种早有派别定论的大师,您都能想怎么说他就怎么说他,那么扭曲一下别人的著作,应该只是小菜一碟了吧。

这句话点到了。不过,有些人并不懂这句话的意思。
“财政发行”这种提法太“委婉”了,本质上,就是货币当局与财政当局合谋/合一/不分,或者财政政策与货币政策混同。
其结果是,通货膨胀的再分配效应——至于谁最终从中获益,恐怕不是一两句话能说清的。
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